Minutes from Meeting about DebConf16 video team planning Convened at 2016-05-20 18:03:28.985098 by tumbleweed in #debconf-video on oftc Minutes ======= [18:03:28] STARTED (tumbleweed) [18:04:19] TOPIC: follow up on last week's actions (tumbleweed) [18:11:52] TOPIC: Chosing a rental company (tumbleweed) [18:15:46] AGREED: pollo to follow up with highvoltage on the aggressive audio quote: find out about extra days, and any other necessary details (tumbleweed) [18:22:02] AGREED: pollo to check on video camera extra days with paddatrapper (tumbleweed) [18:37:40] AGREED: pollo to check the exact camera model with highvoltage (we hope it isn't really NTSC) (tumbleweed) [18:56:51] TOPIC: Sound (tumbleweed) [19:26:15] TOPIC: shipping (tumbleweed) [19:30:07] AGREED: pollo to get a quote for FedEx via DLange (tumbleweed) [19:38:24] AGREED: paddatrapper to confirm camera availability from the 28th (tumbleweed) [19:40:45] TOPIC: FAI (tumbleweed) [19:49:23] AGREED: paddatrapper to correct june -> july (and get a camera for some testing before 1 july) (tumbleweed) [19:49:35] TOPIC: next meeting (tumbleweed) [19:54:51] AGREED: next meeting is 24th at 18:00 UTC (tumbleweed) [19:55:00] ENDED (tumbleweed) Present ======= * DLange * tumbleweed * paddatrapper * pollo * RattusRattus * wouter * CarlFK * olasd Raw Log ======= [18:03:28] tibid: start meeting about DebConf16 video team planning [18:03:28] * tibid gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:03:43] Agenda: https://pad.riseup.net/p/videoteam-dc16 [18:03:47] tibid: minutes so far [18:03:47] Minutes available at http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/tibid-meetings/oftc-%23debconf-video-2016-05-20-18-03-28 [18:04:19] tibid: topic follow up on last week's actions [18:04:19] Current Topic: follow up on last week's actions [18:04:28] paddatrapper: you here? [18:04:29] paddatrapper: here? [18:04:31] :p [18:04:36] ^5 [18:05:28] anyway, the sdi cables are in the quotes already [18:06:12] as for I, I did review the different quotes we've had [18:06:23] i did a short summary here: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Videoteam/EquipmentList#Things_we_will_need_to_rent [18:06:42] * RattusRattus looks [18:07:02] UPS called me when I created a shipping account for Debian France; they don't do temporary imports [18:07:06] I couldn't get the FedEx rate to DLange :( I wrote to fedex SA for detailled quote and they told me they would not work with "cash clients" [18:07:11] oh, I got another quote from paddatrapper today [18:07:17] including radios [18:07:20] let me stick it in git [18:07:24] radios? [18:07:32] 2-way radios [18:08:10] what do we need radios for? [18:08:23] we probably don't need 2 way radio hire (they cost about £40 a pair of good high power radios) [18:08:40] and tbh we wont need them once we have set up [18:08:44] tumbleweed: or is this you-as-in-orga speaking, rather than you-as-in-video? ;-) [18:08:44] I received the BM capture cards earlier this week [18:08:55] RattusRattus: +1 [18:09:11] that's it for my actions this week [18:09:14] IF you feel the need for them I will bring some [18:09:14] RattusRattus: network team usually wants them [18:09:21] and video could use some too [18:09:33] I can get my hands on at least 2 [18:09:33] this was dicsussed in the -team meeting [18:09:45] updated quote pushed [18:10:23] as to my action item, I tried to get hold of the right person in ICTS, but he brushed me off to the helpdesk [18:10:25] for import, at that point I believe we'll just have to pay and fill the SARS forms to get a refund for the ZA import; and the French customs forms for the FR reimport [18:10:27] who ignored my email [18:10:41] ginggs said he'll prod ICTS harder [18:10:54] ok so we will use 3.5mm jack inputs on the lecturns then. no big [18:10:57] with a pointed stick, hopefully [18:11:40] moving on [18:11:52] tibid: topic Chosing a rental company [18:11:52] Current Topic: Chosing a rental company [18:11:56] I'll try to field other transporters next week when I get back home, giving myself a deadline friday [18:11:56] shit is coming fast [18:12:14] we should decide were we will rent things out quiclky [18:12:35] IMHO Aggressive audio seems the best quote so far [18:12:51] ^^ https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Videoteam/EquipmentList#Aggressive_audio [18:13:03] Solid is more complete, but soooo expensive [18:13:04] in that case, highvoltage: around? [18:13:53] it seems email is the best way to prod highvoltage these days [18:14:24] the main thing with aggressive we need to confirm is how many days they charge for cameras [18:14:46] since we want to test the setup in advance and can't affort to pay cameras for 14days [18:14:51] pollo: take an action to coordinate this with him? [18:14:59] take an action, i can [18:15:44] RattusRattus: can you check out Sony PD150 cameras? [18:15:46] tibid: agreed pollo to follow up with highvoltage on the aggressive audio quote: find out about extra days, and any other necessary details [18:15:46] Agreed: pollo to follow up with highvoltage on the aggressive audio quote: find out about extra days, and any other necessary details [18:16:17] I don't think they do SDI, but we can use the Debian cameras for this and use the rental ones for dvswitch [18:16:52] yeah, that's what I recall, too [18:17:27] pollo: double checkking now [18:17:27] I think we should have a day or two, maybe three, to test the cameras [18:17:54] wouter: the aggressive audio is the only quote so far that gives us this luxury [18:17:55] these should preferably be business days, so that if something ends up problematic with them, we can call the rental company and get it sorted [18:18:13] pollo: those were meant as minimums, not maximums :) [18:18:17] pollo: err, I swear paddatrapper's quotes had extra days too [18:18:26] tumbleweed: it has one [18:18:26] they weren't in the quote, but they were agreed upon [18:18:40] mmmkay [18:18:45] it's written in bold "Cameras from 1-9 june) [18:18:49] perhaps I should look at the quotes before speaking about them [18:18:52] issues - PD150 appears to be NTSC only not PAL DV [18:19:15] RattusRattus: and in monkey language this means? [18:19:36] differant standard. we have been using PAL until now [18:19:50] pollo: [18:19:51] 08:46 < paddatrapper> tumbleweed: got it from 28th [18:20:07] tumbleweed: cameras too? [18:20:16] pollo: not sure, check with him [18:20:26] Video Equipment (ONLY SUPPLIED FROM 1-9 JUNE [18:20:50] I think we should trust the legal contract they gave us first [18:21:24] yeah, but don't write them off, based on that, without checking [18:21:28] I can #action on checking with paddatrapper on this [18:21:51] RattusRattus: does this means we can't use this cameras? [18:22:02] tibid: agreed pollo to check on video camera extra days with paddatrapper [18:22:02] Agreed: pollo to check on video camera extra days with paddatrapper [18:22:03] pollo: still reading manual [18:22:16] yeah, I'd much prefer PAL [18:22:34] NTSC would mean changing a bunch of config [18:22:40] * RattusRattus is not sure we have done any testing with ntsc [18:22:43] iff we're going with NTSC (which I would prefer not to either), we *must* make sure the entire room is NTSC [18:22:45] (and NTSC sucks) [18:22:49] I'll check with highvoltage if they have other cameras [18:23:00] otherwise dvswitch goes coocoo [18:23:02] oh, our tiny DV cameras are PAL-only, I think [18:23:09] this seems problematic enough to be a deal breaker [18:23:10] it can deal with NTSC, but everything must be the same standard [18:23:11] IIRC you have to reflash them to switch to NTSC [18:23:23] tumbleweed: they are but then they are in rooms 1&2 hired kit in room 3 [18:23:34] RattusRattus: nope [18:23:44] oh? I have missed somthing [18:23:48] these hired cameras don't have SDI, so they can't be in room 3 [18:24:02] 18:16 < pollo> I don't think they do SDI, but we can use the Debian cameras for this and use the rental ones for dvswitch [18:24:03] ack will update wiki [18:24:10] +1 [18:24:32] right now I am not sure they do DV out either.... [18:24:37] of course we haven't asked if there are any other camreas available, yet [18:24:44] i.e. PAL + SDI :P [18:25:01] RattusRattus: if they don't do DV, I can bring more twinpacts and use those to do analog->DV conversion [18:25:10] but please oh god no keep the bad ideas away [18:25:11] ewww [18:25:12] RattusRattus: are Sony HVR-Z5 HDV Camcorder any better? [18:25:25] this is the cameras from Solid quote [18:25:28] pollo: erm [18:25:29] pollo: wait 5 please still on this camara! [18:25:41] I've head to deal with HDV-only cameras from sony for FOSDEM once [18:25:55] please make sure they do DV, not "just" HDV, before getting them [18:26:14] because the only thing that HDV and DV share is firewire and "dv" in the name [18:26:23] other than that, HDV is an MPEG4 transport stream [18:26:40] wouter: ack [18:33:02] ok looks like this will use either DVCAM or DV format (but think that applies to tape only) [18:33:12] Sony PD15 Your camcorder is an NTSC system-based camcorder [18:33:21] DVCAM is a higher-quality version of DV [18:33:27] dvswitch can deal with that [18:33:33] yep but still DV not DV HD [18:33:35] higher-quality in timestamps only IIRC [18:34:08] we may need to have a tape in the unit to get it to give us DV out [18:34:13] tumbleweed: no, it has better compression [18:34:16] but hard to tell from the manual [18:34:17] "better" as in "less lossy" [18:34:27] wouter: ah [18:34:51] tps://docs.sony.com/release/DSRPD150.pdf [18:35:06] so if we are happy with NTSC then yes the sony is OK [18:35:40] * RattusRattus looks at HVR-Z5 [18:35:48] so, it seems teh same camera is available in both PAL and NTSC models [18:35:57] ZA uses PAL, so I'm suprised they only have an NTSC camera [18:36:15] we should probably check that it is actually a PD15, and not a PD15P (PAL) [18:36:30] ack, I just cant find a PAL variant or a manual that isn't NTSC [18:36:59] tumbleweed: can you action me on this so I don't forget when asking highvoltage? [18:37:02] we can deal with NTSC if we have to, but then the *whole* room needs to be NTSC [18:37:18] otherwise the edit is broken, the live stream is broken, etc [18:37:28] you can fix it, but you can't make it pretty [18:37:31] can we use 2 debian camcorders with good enought results in a single room? [18:37:40] tibid: agreed pollo to check the exact camera model with highvoltage (we hope it isn't really NTSC) [18:37:40] Agreed: pollo to check the exact camera model with highvoltage (we hope it isn't really NTSC) [18:38:03] pollo: we might be able to that too, yes [18:38:06] pollo: I think the question you're really asking is can we use two baby cameras in one room [18:38:18] and yes, we can, but it'd be pretty shitty :/ [18:38:27] tumbleweed: right [18:38:38] those things aren't easy to zoom slowly [18:38:43] well we don't want shit so let's say it's not an option then [18:38:47] and we usually have them on very cheap and nasty tripods [18:38:57] so you can't pan slowly [18:39:07] oh, and no audio inptu [18:39:37] the HVR-Z5 will do SD (but letterbox mode is not available) - I assume that they don't mean 16:9 do they? [18:39:37] tumbleweed: ah, right, didn't think of that [18:39:49] that's pretty much a deal breaker [18:39:57] RattusRattus: ... possibly [18:40:00] RattusRattus: which page is that? [18:40:25] http://kbnmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/HVR-Z5-PDF.pdf page 2 [18:41:38] but this has HDMI out just no SDI [18:41:54] the cards we got hvae HDMI capture, right? [18:41:55] RattusRattus: capture cards do have HDMI inputs [18:42:05] but there's no guarantee that we'll be able to capture from them [18:42:17] they need to support compatible modes [18:42:36] tumbleweed: what do you mean? [18:42:48] mm [18:42:58] "Letterbox Mode" means you add black borders on top and at the bottom [18:43:09] for a 16:9 signal to be displayed on a 4:3 output [18:43:17] but we don't want a 16:9 signal, we want a 4:3 signal [18:43:19] pollo: they need to both support the same resolution and refresh rate [18:43:20] so that doesn't even matter [18:43:41] just having the right socket doesn't mean everything will work [18:44:16] wouter: ack so the HVR-Z5 is looking good. [18:44:26] Your camcorder is capable of recording in [18:44:27] HDV/DVCAM/DV formats [18:45:49] RattusRattus: it's PAL-DV, right? [18:45:56] I can't see any definite word on that [18:46:08] yes PAL color, CCIR standards [18:46:16] okay [18:46:19] yes, it's good then [18:46:59] yep I think the HVR-Z5 looks the better option of the 2 [18:47:18] so let's say we have to pay for more camera days with Solid, how much would we need? [18:47:35] is one cam enough or de we need the 2 right away? [18:47:56] I think we should have one of whatever we're using for vocto from pretty early on [18:48:00] so people can start on that [18:48:13] tumbleweed: weren't we going to be using the debian cameras for vocto? [18:48:25] which means we would have them as long as we want [18:48:27] wouter: depends on the cameras wire hire [18:48:45] we would only need 1 camara on hire during week 1 I guess [18:48:46] tumbleweed: we're just saying we'll be using the HVR-Z5 [18:48:47] tumbleweed: none of the cams we got quoted do sdi [18:49:25] right, I was trying to not be ambiguous :) [18:49:44] wouter: manual http://www.sonypro-latin.com/pro/lang/en/ar/support/attachment/1237485703979/1237485603133/operationmanual.pdf?token=-ziCq3auwKohL5RO6wy-D9LWzkIBEC6SILp730gJQ_fyqcxzQx0jQIAndgOLHJ3w-UoFqkW1VvzNjoK8BaL_7aSJT4acpTaj5-E0AEbuYPKFnP_C [18:50:02] as to the dvswitch, yes, one would be enough to be sure the model is going to work [18:50:18] and then we'd want them all a day or two before talks start [18:50:34] noted, I'll follow up with paddatrapper on this [18:50:51] a couple of days would probably be sensible [18:51:04] RattusRattus: so that manual points to "Z5E/Z5P" [18:51:10] where one is NTSC and the other is PAL, presumably [18:51:33] we really want the PAL version if we can get it [18:51:39] again ack [18:52:07] E&P both appaer to be PAL from the manual though [18:53:32] the manual covers both E and P versions and explicitly claims PAL (and no NTSC support) [18:53:48] fair enough, we should be good then [18:53:50] but that is the GB manual.... [18:54:00] I don't care what the difference between E and P is, as long as we get PAL :) [18:54:26] I am assuming as SA is (was for analogue TV) PAL that it will be the same.... (hope) [18:54:33] yep [18:54:54] but of course US TV also films stuff here (we're cheap), so it's possible we have kit catering for them [18:55:20] so are we confirming we will take 2x HVR-Z5 camaras? [18:55:39] RattusRattus: no, I need to check a few things with highvoltage and paddatrapper first [18:55:40] and confirming that we will take 1 for debcamp and both for debconf + 2 days? [18:55:47] ok [18:55:59] so moving on.... [18:56:03] but if things stay the same (no new cams, etc.) it will be [18:56:04] .... SOUND [18:56:51] tibid: topic Sound [18:56:51] Current Topic: Sound [18:57:09] mics I think I am correct in saying that we are hiring 6x mics? [18:57:21] 18x mics [18:57:26] 6 of each type [18:57:28] ack [18:57:30] yeah [18:57:55] 6 hand held radio, 6 headset and 6 overhead (cabled) [18:58:04] ok. [18:58:07] so mixers [18:58:22] Solid proposes Soundcraft EPM8 Mixing Consoles [18:58:24] 3x [18:58:37] we had an EPM6 in vienna [18:58:45] it was nice enough, but had no fader for the sub mix [18:58:57] * RattusRattus looks [18:59:03] soundcraft are usuly nice [18:59:09] this looks like the same deal [19:00:48] http://www.hendrixstudio.ru/Soundcraft%20EFX12.pdf [19:01:36] EPM vs EFX: difference is EPM has 2 sub mixes, where EFX has FX sends [19:03:24] I'm guessing the difference between EPM8 and EPM6 is number of channels? [19:03:28] yep [19:03:39] ok so we can use either AUX or FX send, for what we need. IMHO AUX group is better for our needs and thats what is in the EPM8 [19:03:42] did the EPM6 work well? Is the price reasonable? [19:03:55] it worked well. We used the AUX send for the room [19:04:16] (and had the room at very low level, because of the awful PA injection, via 1/8" jack and DI box) [19:04:30] and sent the main mix to the camera [19:04:33] wouter: R 500,00/unit/day [19:05:10] so 90 euros/day [19:05:33] 500 rend or 500000 [19:05:36] 540 euros in total [19:05:38] rand even [19:05:41] R500 [19:05:54] £22 GBP / day [19:06:22] you can buy a mixer at that price! [19:06:32] http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/199131360/Behringer_Xenyx_QX1204.html ? [19:07:01] then you can become a AV equipment rental company! [19:07:04] tumbleweed: that's 10 times the rental price [19:07:19] not big enough (need 8 channel desk) [19:07:31] and they charge for 6 days only [19:07:34] you can also drive stuff around and become a delivery service. [19:07:58] CarlFK: point taken [19:08:28] so yes hire the 3 mixers [19:09:08] * RattusRattus will sort shopping list for cables (I assume I'll make them up on site) [19:09:47] RattusRattus: AFAIK all the cables we need are included in the rental [19:09:55] XLR for the audio are [19:09:58] pollo: awsome [19:10:15] * RattusRattus will go through and list them never the less [19:10:31] we also found you multiple soldering irons [19:10:54] should we get di boxes for the AUX send to the PA system 3.5mm jack (and a PAD?) [19:10:54] tumbleweed says we are in an electrical engeneering department so they are everywhere [19:11:00] :-) [19:11:11] and I have a temparature controlled one in a bag somewhere [19:11:43] RattusRattus: I can't remember which, but apparently one of the quotes included snakes too [19:12:21] :-) [19:12:33] https://www.dropbox.com/sc/zo4poc8b0p0qh0s/AADlPrAp5L0wrF6PBUwDhXiKa - main talk rooms [19:12:49] ok so I think we are good for AV source and room PA. [19:12:57] just recapping.... [19:13:18] tumbleweed: "rooms" -- does that mean there's more than one of those? [19:13:21] room 1 and 2 will be DV switch and room 3 will be Voctomix [19:13:24] wouter: there are two like that [19:13:44] tumbleweed: and we're going to use those teensy tiny camcorders in those? ah well [19:14:29] wouter: the others are like https://www.dropbox.com/sc/pow4agff63qv04p/AADyxXU2Npd7FY0_xyszTk9ma [19:14:40] (there are 6 like that) [19:14:47] ETOOMANYROOMS [19:14:57] tumbleweed: also, EBACKLIGHT [19:15:18] (godawfully difficult to get good picture with something like that) [19:15:21] what about the plenary sessions? are they also in snape? [19:15:32] RattusRattus: the one I said were main [19:15:37] they're in menzies, next door to main [19:15:43] err next door to snape [19:15:51] oh, and we have a video team NOC, over the corridor from the main talk rooms [19:15:54] (assuming it can be locked) [19:16:03] (maybe with a big padlock and chain) [19:16:27] ok so do we need to move kit between rooms for plenary or will we use GH 10 all the time? [19:17:06] * RattusRattus is having flashbacks of portland..... [19:17:09] the plan is to not move equipment [19:17:23] however those rooms only seat 180 [19:17:36] "only"? [19:17:44] that's "only" about half the average debconf [19:17:55] or do you mean the larger rooms? [19:17:58] which is less than ideal for a plenary room [19:18:06] oh, you do mean the larger rooms [19:18:15] yep the smaller ones seat 130 [19:18:17] well, we've not usually had a plenary room that is large enough to fit everyone [19:19:25] its a shame because there are 4 x 110-130 rooms in snape... would be nicer to keep us all in 1 building and for the sake of 50 seets for open and close.... [19:19:57] they are next door [19:19:58] but yes [19:20:02] ok [19:20:13] finnaly then cable runs. [19:20:44] RattusRattus: do we need to do that? Isn't that usually the network team's job? [19:20:48] or do you mean audio cabling? [19:20:54] do we need to make runs between NOC and rooms? or can we patch (dark) through infrastructure [19:21:01] the plan is to patch [19:21:38] the noc and main talk rooms are all next door / over the corridor, so cable runs are also possible [19:21:40] wouter: portland we ran our own cables, heidleburg net team did it [19:21:46] cool. [19:21:49] but the bof room would be in snape [19:22:07] net team hasn't even given the university any information yet [19:22:18] so they're in need of some wakeup... [19:22:43] :-) OK, for use we would like dark patching each of the talk rooms to the NOC [19:22:56] saves me running lots of cables [19:23:03] that may not be possible - there won't be enough patch ports in the NOC [19:23:17] (we'll be lucky if there's one, and we don't have to unplug a wifi AP) [19:23:22] we can check... [19:23:25] tumbleweed: we only need 4! 3 rooms plus main out [19:23:34] at any rate, most lecture theatres have 1 or two ports, not 4 [19:23:47] but 2-6 APs :P [19:24:35] and our server room will probably be in a separate building, entirely [19:25:34] urgh, we've been chatting for ages :) [19:25:38] are we nearing the end? [19:25:53] ack done for me [19:26:06] we need to discuss shipping comany [19:26:15] tibid: topic shipping [19:26:15] Current Topic: shipping [19:26:16] FAI and next meeting mostly [19:26:33] I say we go with UPS even though they don't have temp import [19:26:54] call them all and get a price for one that does temporary imports? [19:27:13] I wrote to DHL like 6 times [19:27:36] and Fedex's policies are sooo confusing I just don't get what they are talking about [19:28:05] I got sent to 2 different branches (first france then SA) [19:28:19] to get told they could not give me a quote after all [19:28:34] pollo: send me the packing list and I can get a quote from FedEx. We're not cash customers :) [19:28:57] DLange: do you know if they do temp import? [19:29:11] seems to be the main thing we are looking for atm [19:29:33] I haven't tried that for ZA yet so I don't know. But I can ask :) [19:29:47] cool. tumbleweed can you action me on this? [19:30:07] tibid: agreed pollo to get a quote for FedEx via DLange [19:30:07] Agreed: pollo to get a quote for FedEx via DLange [19:30:22] to recap, stuff is still in Vienna [19:30:32] and olasd gets back on the 24th [19:30:41] but air shipping is about 4-5 days [19:30:48] so we're still good on this [19:30:55] DLange: it seems RattusRattus will bring some radios [19:31:04] nice [19:31:07] (and highvoltage and I will probably bring too) [19:31:18] Sorry I'm so late. Got caught up in other things [19:31:41] tibid: minutes so far [19:31:41] Minutes available at http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/tibid-meetings/oftc-%23debconf-video-2016-05-20-18-03-28 [19:31:48] paddatrapper: search for your name [19:32:04] tumbleweed: thanks. Scanned through the backlog too [19:33:55] Do you want me to provide info about those points now or later? [19:33:57] I think that's about it for this part [19:34:19] paddatrapper: I think now would be nice, we could have a better idea of what's to come [19:35:48] Ok. The cameras are PAL, and output HDMI. The quote includes HDMI-SDI Blackmagic converters for them [19:36:22] paddatrapper: awsome [19:36:33] and what about the dates? do we have the cameras only from 1-9 june? [19:36:52] I asked for from the 28th, but will confirm [19:38:24] tibid: agreed paddatrapper to confirm camera availability from the 28th [19:38:24] Agreed: paddatrapper to confirm camera availability from the 28th [19:38:33] how much is the total rent now (sans radios)? [19:38:41] (can't check the pdf currently) [19:38:58] DLange: if we go with Solid Events (most probable), about 400 euros [19:39:06] /s/400/4000/ [19:39:29] good. That's within the budget line still. [19:39:39] Not if we include shipping [19:39:59] but we won't be 3K euros over for sure [19:40:08] ok [19:40:08] * RattusRattus now knows AV hardware so will put final cable connector list togeather [19:40:29] and we can see what is included from that list in the hire [19:40:40] next topic? [19:40:45] tibid: topic FAI [19:40:45] Current Topic: FAI [19:40:51] next meeting? [19:40:51] R74 00 [19:40:59] anyone in charge of FAIs& [19:41:11] in recent years, I've been doing a lot of that [19:41:23] but I think a few other people have their heads wrapped around it, too [19:41:26] tumbleweed: I'm guessing you're going to have less time for that this time around, no? [19:41:36] FIAs? [19:41:36] I can give you the FAI image we used in germany [19:41:48] s/FAI/FIA [19:41:58] paddatrapper: Fully Automated Installer -- a config management system [19:41:54] paddatrapper: http://fai-project.org/ [19:42:26] not the most modern configuration management system, and we use it in a slightly bastandardised way... [19:42:32] but hey, it work [19:42:36] works [19:42:38] yeah, sortof :) [19:42:39] Ah ok. What are we using it for? [19:42:41] :D, one day [19:42:48] imaging the wheezy machines we use for dvswitch [19:43:18] speaking of which, did I mention that I didn't get dvswitch to work properly on jessie? [19:43:19] Right [19:43:26] also the main author will be onsite DC16. So support++ [19:43:37] (MrFAI = Thomas Lange) [19:43:40] yes [19:44:02] Just got confirmation, Got everything, but the cameras from 28 July. I'm going to try twist their arm re the cameras [19:44:16] paddatrapper: we only need one for Debcamp [19:44:38] pollo: Ok, so I should leave it as is? [19:44:49] yeah, that's fine [19:44:58] paddatrapper: well atm the quote says we have cameras from 1-9 june [19:45:03] and this is not fine [19:45:18] we need one camera for debcamp to test our setup [19:45:21] That's the range they are charging for. Not charging for the testing and setup days [19:45:43] "Video Equipment (ONLY SUPPLIED FROM 1-9 JUNE" [19:45:49] sounds pretty clear to me [19:46:07] but if it's not, then hurray [19:46:39] That's the cameras, which we just need from 1 june right? [19:46:50] paddatrapper: no, we need them before 1 june [19:46:55] to test them [19:46:56] talks start on 1 june [19:47:05] err start on 2 july [19:47:14] but we don't need both cameras for testing [19:47:14] I guess we can survive with them arriving on 1 july [19:47:26] Ok. I'll seee what I can do [19:47:31] but testing before the day before the conference would be useful [19:47:44] For sure! [19:47:46] even if we just get one for a few hours one day, and take it back [19:47:53] er, does the quote actually say 1-9 *june*, or is that a mistype on pollo's part? [19:47:57] if it says june, we have a problem [19:48:00] lol [19:48:10] haha it does [19:48:15] that's a type [19:48:23] /s/type/typo [19:48:26] from their part [19:48:35] well, make sure to get that clarified too, then [19:48:40] oh dude it's not [19:48:45] because if it's not a typo but a mistake... [19:48:46] Event Date:2-9 June 2016 [19:48:59] paddatrapper: you'll need to clear this out! [19:49:01] I'll get it sorted [19:49:02] sounds like a problem to me [19:49:23] tibid: agreed paddatrapper to correct june -> july (and get a camera for some testing before 1 july) [19:49:23] Agreed: paddatrapper to correct june -> july (and get a camera for some testing before 1 july) [19:49:31] next meeting? [19:49:35] tibid: topic next meeting [19:49:35] Current Topic: next meeting [19:49:39] same time next week? [19:49:41] I can't make it [19:49:43] not weekend/friday please..... [19:49:56] I can't make it during the weekend either next week [19:50:04] 18:00 SAST thursday? [19:50:08] err UTC [19:50:11] what's SAST? [19:50:22] south africa standart time? [19:50:22] 18:00 UTC is what I was proposing [19:50:25] yep [19:50:41] hmm, can't [19:50:46] 18:00 UTC could possibly work for me on thursday [19:50:48] sorry I'm on a plane [19:50:51] later would work, but no 18:00 [19:50:59] as long as we don't try to do that on monday I should be fine [19:51:02] RattusRattus: I guess a different day, then? [19:51:09] wednesday has the -team meeting [19:51:35] we could take the hour before it (17:30 UTC - 18:30) [19:51:37] can we afford to do this tuesday 30th? [19:51:49] tumbleweed: next week is gonna be a bitch for me (I can do monday / tuesday only) so miss me for next meeting sorry [19:51:50] tumbleweed: this suits me [19:52:00] ok tuesday is fine [19:52:09] I can't make Wednesday - writing an exam [19:52:09] tumbleweed: I prefer not to have meetings with deadlines [19:52:22] but tuesdays work for me [19:52:50] next tuesday is fine for me, but it's quite soon [19:52:51] tuesday evenings I'm usually at a restuarant with local team people [19:52:52] but meh [19:52:57] but that can work [19:53:03] and it may mean highvoltage is at hand :P [19:53:10] :-) [19:53:11] tumbleweed: that could be helpful, yes :) [19:53:27] cool, so 24th [19:53:43] I'm guessing it can be pretty quick [19:53:48] things are getting tichter [19:53:50] tighter [19:54:06] I mean, closer to being finalized :) [19:54:12] are we done? [19:54:17] time? [19:54:20] 18:00 utc? [19:54:27] yeah, I think that works best for everyone [19:54:39] cool [19:54:41] +1 [19:54:51] tibid: agreed next meeting is 24th at 18:00 UTC [19:54:51] Agreed: next meeting is 24th at 18:00 UTC [19:54:58] we're done then, I think [19:55:00] tibid: end meeting