{
  "source": "oftc", 
  "convenor": "tumbleweed", 
  "log": [
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: start meeting about DebConf 16 Cape Town bid planning meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:50:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:50:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "first item?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:50:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "ok, we have Hint Of Agenda, soon as i dig up the mail", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:50:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "all I have is the thing I mailed", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "* Review of quotes received from venues", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "* Figure out how to beat them down (the quotes I've seen are way too high)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "* Delegation of Location Checklist write-ups.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "any more additions?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "i think let's just get started.  the quotes will take some time to deal with", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "that's a no", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: topic Review of quotes received from venues", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Current Topic: Review of quotes received from venues", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/bid-capetown.git/tree/venue_info", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:52:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "so i think we currently have two concrete quotes, right?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:52:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "Technopark and River club?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:52:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we also have a price list from schoenstatt", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:53:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and lord charles", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:53:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:53:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and from what I've seen of the other two quotes, they don't really deviate from the price lists", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:53:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I am still waiting for blackwater", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:53:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and chrysalis seems interested", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:53:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "oh, hold on, i missed the lord charles one", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:53:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "it is too far in the future for them to make any special arrangements or anything...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:54:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "fuck. breakwater, sorry", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:54:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I'm a sanitation engineer :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:54:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": ":)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:54:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "is glad to hear we aren't dealing with paramilitary organisations", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:54:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "though i'm sure we'll look very dashing in uniform if we have to.  especially with the balaclavas.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:55:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "So the quotes that we have we sortof expected them to be pricey.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:55:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I didn't expect river club to be", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:56:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "yeah, they're quoting for a lot of things we emphatically won't need", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:56:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "wow, R2 million", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:56:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "they are quoting for more rooms than we need, and 300 people for the entire 10 days", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "*nods*", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and, confusingly, for the rooms twice, or something like that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we need to ask them to explain it", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "so certainly on that front, we can get it down by quite a bit", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "ok, so this isn't a valid quote anyway, I mainly asked for prices to get an analysis going.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "i'm wondering if it's a manoeuvre to see if we flinch", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:57:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "they probably don't put much care into initial quotes, just toss in the lot, and see what people actually want", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:58:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "tell them that R2mil is about 1.9 mil over our budget :-P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:58:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "What I would like to see next is someone to do a spreadsheet of some kind and itemise and cost these things sothat they're comparable acorss venues", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:58:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "The lady at river club, collette, was just trying to give as much info as possible.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:58:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "I can do that this weekend, with the info we have so far", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:58:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "ok, so we'll call that a worst-case scenario, budget-wise", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:59:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(reusing the spreadsheets I used for the same thing for Portland)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:59:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "icool, thanks wendar, I know you sent me stuff, but got lots on at the moment, and I think it's also time for the rest of the team to chip in here :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:59:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "do we have a standard inflation measure?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:59:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I'd like to get started on the proposal...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:59:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "I won't complain if someone else wants to do spreadsheets either/too :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:00:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I was working on 6%, but the venue people said 10% per annum, or something like that.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:00:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "10% is too high", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:00:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I would make it a separate cell, then we can change it later if we have to.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:00:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "current inflation is something like 6.5% I think", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:00:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "http://beta2.statssa.gov.za/?page_id=735&id=3", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:00:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "yeah, I'd really like to see how things total up for what they're quoting us now anyway", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:01:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(for a lot of these places, I suspect we'll be negotiating down *below* current rates, not for 20% above current rates, despite inflation)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:01:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah, we have to get them way down", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:02:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "The fact that we have NEB for practically nothing is a great bargaining tool. :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:02:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "or ChemEng, or whatever", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:03:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "so, should we work out what we're requesting?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:03:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I would still not get bogged down in that until we have a proper analysis...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:03:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "wendar: NEB, actually. ChemEng confuses ginggs :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:03:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "is it worth analysing quotes in detail, if we don't think they're plausible for us, yet?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:03:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "the rough ballpark of \"standard\" rates is  good enough for the bid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:04:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "only inasmuch as we can hope to make a model soon and have it analysed before the next meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:04:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "together with an estimate of how much \"influence\" we'd likely have over the venue for bargaining", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:04:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:04:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "oh, I should minute this", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:05:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed wendar to get the quotes into a spreadsheet for comparison", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:05:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: wendar to get the quotes into a spreadsheet for comparison", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:05:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "anything else to discuss here? NEB stuff?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:05:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I would say, list, plenary, breakaway etc etc, then fill in the price per day, then add them all up.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:06:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:06:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I could set up the empty table, but it will be on google sheets :P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:06:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "we should work out how many rooms we actually need", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:06:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "that will depend on the venue, to some degree", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:07:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "indiebio: wendar's got a spreadsheet from last year", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:07:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "ok, to a first approximation?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:07:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "2 talk, 2 bof, 2 hacklab", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:07:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "we'll likely only need the plenary room on two occasions (opening and closing)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:07:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "yeah, let's stick with libreoffice, rather than google :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:07:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "plus 100-150 double bedrooms?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:07:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "wendar, can you load that sheet up on alioth please?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:08:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "for the video team, plenary = main talk room is much easier", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:08:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:08:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: well, it's all portland at the moment, but I'll upload it when I've got a rough start", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:08:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "'K thanks. is this the same one you emailed me?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:09:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "yup, that's the one", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:09:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "ok cool", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:09:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "you can see we did multiple profile estimates, based on number of attendees", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:09:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(i.e. 200 people is a very different total than 300)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:10:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "and for sponsored lodging/food, sliced it even finer", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:10:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "by what time will we know if it's closer to 300 than 200?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:10:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "checking in late sorry", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:10:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "we won't know final count until quite late", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:10:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "but, we also have the power to vary how many people we sponsor quite late", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:10:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "well, depending on when you close registrations ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:11:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "it's a matter of setting a base required sponsorship amount for venue, and estimates for sponsorship", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:11:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "then, closer to the time, we may find attendance is closer to 200, and that we can sponsor travel for more people", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:11:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:12:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "or, that we got more than the required minimum of sponsorship, which can also go to sponsor more travel", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:12:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "we will want to check with the venue and see if we'll have the ability to make slightly different room choices closer to the final date", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:12:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(i.e. can we swap out their largest room for a slightly smaller  one, 3 months before?)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:13:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "that's a good point", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:13:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "With UCT, i'm sure that'll be doable", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:13:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "with others, it'll depend", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:13:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "sometimes contracts are only signed around that far in advance, right?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:13:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "I'd hope the contract would be signed a year before, (or earlier), to lock in prices.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:14:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "But, with options for variations later.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:14:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "madduck: when did you sign for dc15?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:14:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:15:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "contract? about 13 months in advance", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:15:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "nod", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:15:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "but it's a special contract in that we can cancel without charges until april 2015", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:15:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "nice", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:15:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "excellent", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:15:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "yeah, I wanted to decrease the prices further and give up this right, but then decided not to push my luck that much ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:16:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": ":)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:16:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "this is getting into my next agenda item of: Figure out how to beat them down (the quotes I've seen are way too high)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:17:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I guess it's too early for that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:17:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "no it's not.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:17:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "i've employed two strategies", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:18:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "first, even though I was the only one negotiating at that point", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:18:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "I always said that I am just a strawman and that I need to check with my team", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:18:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "and then I was able to say things like \"my team currently likes Munich better, but I think Heidelberg would be cooler, is there anything we can do\u2026\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:19:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": ":)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:19:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "hahaha", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:19:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "nice", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:19:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "and second, I kept them updated whenever we made any advances in Munich", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:19:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "sometimes even when they weren't real, only possibilities.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:19:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "it was bluffing, but it increased the pressure", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:19:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "because i knew early on that they wanted to host us", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:20:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "I am pretty sure you can do that too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:20:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "and even though I don't advise bluffing", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:20:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "(unless it just so happens)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:20:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "so who's got the least legible face here?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:20:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "being the person out there that wants venue X and to side with them \"against your own team\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:20:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "can work very well", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:20:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "obviously it's not a guarantee for success. I was also very lucky to have had a very cooperative and young negotiation partner ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:21:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "all the conference centers seem to be more full-service than we want", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:23:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we need to get them down to bare-bones rooms with some chairs in them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:23:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "yeah.  and we don't need a technician", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:23:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "or snacks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:24:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "that's why I'm holding out for places like chrysalis. but we can get back to e.g. river club with these comments...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:24:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "snacks are nice-to-have but certainly not for an initial quote", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:24:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "well, we do need tehir technicial on call, if we're hiring any equipment from them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:24:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "for that I need the analysis though.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:24:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: what do you think the chance is of allowing alcohol in chrysalis?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:24:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I guess we should be telling the venues that we're going to need a range of possibilities, depending on funding raised", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:25:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and trying to get the low end of that range as low as we can", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:25:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "i dunno. I still need to meet with them. I think rather good if we can convince them we're responsible", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:25:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "for those who weren't there, I ask this becasue there were signs up EVERYWHERE", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:25:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: meaning?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:26:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: \"no alcohol\" signs", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:26:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "well, they're working with youths at risk. but if the youths aren't there...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:26:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:26:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "i don't know. I'll ask the guy when I meet with him", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:27:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "cool", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:27:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ok, moving on?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:27:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: topic Delegation of Location Checklist write-ups", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:27:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Current Topic: Delegation of Location Checklist write-ups", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:27:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we should probably start worknig on location checklist for the UCT venues", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:28:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and whatever other favourites emerge?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:28:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I'm willing to start doing some of this", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:29:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "nattie: generally, we can do better on snacks ourselves, I believe, because our attendees are happier with more volume and longer serving times at lesser quality than what those centres can usually offer.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:29:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "madduck: well, quite.  whether we will be allowed to provide our own snacks is another matter, though", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:29:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:30:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "nattie: we have been asking venues that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:30:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but generally debconf is 3 meals, no snacks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:30:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "\"no alcohol\" in the venue would be a first, but I wouldn't see it as a show-stopper", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:30:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "this would be venue + accom", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:30:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I think we're subversive enough that we'd break any such rules, and it could be problematic", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(see portland)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "us, break rules?  surely not.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "the 5th floor doesn't exist", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "front desk was a constant stream of snacks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "oh that was true", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(where'd that come from? somebody left it here)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "people kept bringing us stuff, and we said \"here, take!\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:31:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "front desk even delivered waffles, on occasion", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:32:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "heh", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:32:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: yeah, and we are also a very responsible and reasonable crowd that doesn't misbehave in the way that makes people forbid alcohol in the venue", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:32:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:32:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "largely.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:32:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "so in general, it's not that important because we probably won't be noticed", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:33:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "madduck: yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:33:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "but sure, if it means we'd get kicked out when a beer is sighted, then this would be a show-stopper i guess", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:33:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "but, official permission to bring our own food/alcohol is a plus", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:33:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(as we're weighting venue choices)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:33:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "wendar: unless there is food/alcohol on sale for reasonable prices, double-plus if we can influence the offerings.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:34:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "nod", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:34:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "nod too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:34:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hodgestar", 
      "message": "forgot about the meeting. :/", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:35:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hodgestar", 
      "message": "reads.", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:36:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "back in five, changing locations for expiring parking", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:36:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "should program a pingall into tibid", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:36:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "Hodgestar: dude, i sent a mail to the list...  ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:36:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "shall we hold for a few minutes, give Hodgestar a change to catch up while wendar moves her car?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:37:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "sure, I think we're winding up, anyway", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:37:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "BTW, if we can get outside catering, there are plenty of companies that service the film industry here, and being winter (off-peak) we could probably negotiate good rates", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:39:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "just mentioning that for the record, i have plenty of contacts", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:40:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:40:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "these are areas where I expect a cape town bid to be strong (cheap and good quality)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:40:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "ginggs: how strong are these contacts? can you get non-binding preliminary inofficial approximate quotes from them? ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:40:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah, that'd be cool", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:41:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I'd also love to see some quotes for busses", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:41:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hodgestar", 
      "message": "nattie: I know. :/", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:41:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "busses are like 5\u20ac/person/day in .de, so those are negligible costs, really.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hodgestar", 
      "message": "No need to wait for me unnecessarily. I'm caught up now.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "please minute the bus thing, tumbleweed", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "Hodgestar: sorry, i wasn't *actually* bitching you out, just pretending to, for effect", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: but yeah, getting an idea of prices would be good.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "madduck: and I'd expect even cheaper here", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "however, I would advise against getting quotes now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but if we were in an out of the way area, we may want to provide our own shuttles", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "wait until you have more information as that opens up for better negotiation positions.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:42:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "re: catering: i'll send some mails", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:43:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "ya, public transport in Cape Town is pretty lousy compared to most cities in the US", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:45:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "waterfront would have good myciti service", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:45:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "anywhere else, ...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:45:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "what's myciti?  is that regular buses?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "(sorry to ask all these silly questions, but, you know, foreign.)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "except they call it an IRT", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "\"integrated rapid transport\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "really.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "busses that sometimes have delegated lanes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and bus-stops that are sort of like stations", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "river club would also be sorted", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "like guided buses, or different?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:46:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "http://myciti.org.za/en/home/ - looks like a bus, smells like a bus, ...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:47:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "yuk", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:47:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "ok, a bus with delusions of grandeur :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:48:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(here)", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:52:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:52:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "anything more?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:52:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "what have we got minuted so far?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: minutes so far", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Minutes available at http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/tibid-meetings/oftc-%23debconf16-capetown-2014-10-15-18-50-36", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "did we note that ginggs will contact the dean of engineering", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "+ .html", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed ginggs will contact the dean of engineering", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: ginggs will contact the dean of engineering", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed tumbleweed will start writing up the UCT locations", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:54:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: tumbleweed will start writing up the UCT locations", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:54:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "anything else?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:54:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "next meeting in 2 weeks? Or in a week, if there is something to discuss?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:54:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "ginggs will contact film production companies to get details of caterers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:55:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "2 weeks should be fine, but we *can* discuss outside meetings, you know", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:55:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "tumbleweed, do you have/need the UCT venue capacity link?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:55:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed ginggs will contact film production companies to get details of caterers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:55:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: ginggs will contact film production companies to get details of caterers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:55:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: yes, I think I have it", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:55:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I'd like to start with the bid proposal. I'm bored with venues, will push the ones who haven't supplied quotes, and load stuff up, but other than that I work on a request basis. :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:56:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ok, so that's mostly writing it up and making it pretty?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:57:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and some overlap with things I'll be doing", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:57:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiobio: can we move the potential speakers piece off to a separate wiki page?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:57:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:58:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "also \"Public engagement initiatives\"?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:58:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: yes, and I want to play with the sponsor doc. basically just figuring out the look and feel of the thing for my own head", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:58:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "basically, anything that isn't intended for the audience of bid voting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:59:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "grrr. ok.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:59:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "it's important content for *us*, but not for them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:59:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(could be one \"local team planning\" page)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:59:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "any particular heading, like, 'other stuff'?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:59:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "perhaps \"interna\"?  or is that a bit german?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:59:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I was thinking it would strengthen our bid as it shows we're reaching further", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:59:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "it'll definitely strengthen the event, and help us target local sponsors", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:00:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we do have to work with the global talks team, to actually make these things happen", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:00:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "How about 'Auxiliary activities'", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:00:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "but.. the bid is evaluated on different criteria", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:00:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "sure, I'm not picky about the title of the separate page :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:00:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "this is more conference planning, than conference bid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:00:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "oh, we can minute this too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:02:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed indiebio to start working on the bid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:02:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: indiebio to start working on the bid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:02:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed split the conference planning bits that aren't relevant to the bid evaluation, out into their own page(s?)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:03:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: split the conference planning bits that aren't relevant to the bid evaluation, out into their own page(s?)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:03:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "it's been 90 mins and I'm getting hungry. Are we there yet?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:03:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "seems like enough tasks for 2 weeks :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:04:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "there as we'll ever be", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:04:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "that's for sure :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:04:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: end meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T20:05:00Z"
    }
  ], 
  "starttime": "2014-10-15T18:50:36Z", 
  "title": "DebConf 16 Cape Town bid planning meeting", 
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    "madduck": null, 
    "superfly": null, 
    "Hodgestar": null, 
    "indiebio": null, 
    "nattie": null, 
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  "endtime": "2014-10-15T20:05:00Z", 
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      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": null, 
      "type": "started", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:50:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "Review of quotes received from venues", 
      "type": "topic", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T18:51:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "wendar to get the quotes into a spreadsheet for comparison", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:05:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "Delegation of Location Checklist write-ups", 
      "type": "topic", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:27:53Z"
    }, 
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      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "ginggs will contact the dean of engineering", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:53:40Z"
    }, 
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      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "tumbleweed will start writing up the UCT locations", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-10-15T19:54:00Z"
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      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "ginggs will contact film production companies to get details of caterers", 
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      "time": "2014-10-15T19:55:17Z"
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      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "indiebio to start working on the bid", 
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      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "split the conference planning bits that aren't relevant to the bid evaluation, out into their own page(s?)", 
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      "time": "2014-10-15T20:03:25Z"
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      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
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      "time": "2014-10-15T20:05:00Z"
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