{
  "source": "oftc", 
  "convenor": "tumbleweed", 
  "log": [
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: start meeting about DebConf16 Cape Town Bid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:33:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:33:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "agenda: http://whiteboard.debian.net/9fcb2.wb", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:33:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "well, we've got the breakwater quote", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:34:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "I still need to enter that into the spreadsheet", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:34:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "also, a food quote for UCT main campus", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:34:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I haven't looked at the venue checklist thing yet - in other words, I haven't walked around again yet", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:34:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "i'll just get the breakwater info", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:34:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "last meeting: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/Minutes/2014-11-05#Minutes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:33:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "ok, got, reading now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:36:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I haven't read it either, but just looking, the catering quotes say: 1 main course R170, 2: R195, 3: R220", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:37:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and because the restaurant is too small, they will have to set up a marquee tent, which will increase cost.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:37:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "And I'm imagining if it rains this will be sub-optimal.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:38:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:38:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "depending on how long the lunch break is, not everyone will be there at the same time, though", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:38:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "is using the internal catering obligatory if we go with Breakwater?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:39:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yes, we ate in shifts, this year", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:39:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "not formal shifts, but the dinner windows were 2 hours long", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:39:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "you'd get the initial stampede and the late stampede :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:39:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "(\"oh no, dining hall's closing in 10 minutes!\")", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:39:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I think the internal catering would be obligatory. I can check, but I think that's how they make a lot of their income.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:40:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "hotel rooms, cheapest is a quad unit at R2805, I think that's for the room, so divide that by 4.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:41:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "single rooms R2092", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:41:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "online", 
      "type": "notice", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:42:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "welcome mwmwmwm, you've just wandered into a team meeting :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:43:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: I wondered on that, did they give us the university discount or not?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:43:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "because, it's not the rate they give on the website for university events", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:44:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "it's double and higher :(", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:44:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "mwmwmwm: hi!", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:44:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I don't think so. I think this is the independent rate.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:44:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "does that mean we need to go back to them, now that we have UCT approval?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:45:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "This was before I heard ginggs managed to get approval! So now I can go back.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:45:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "hello stef", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:45:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "Also, I managed to deal with Alex, Michelle, my first contact, never came back to me.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:45:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: minutes so far", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:45:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Minutes available at http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/tibid-meetings/oftc-%23debconf16-capetown-2014-11-12-19-33-13", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:45:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "mwmwmwm: ^^", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:45:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "for the record and my ever fading brain, can you action that I go back to breakwater now, tumbleweed, please?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:46:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed indiebio to get UCT-approved prices out of breakwater", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:47:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: indiebio to get UCT-approved prices out of breakwater", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:47:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "gaah, I really need to make anyone able to minute things", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:47:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: i think i'm supposed to be able to - shall i try it with the next item?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:47:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "you're welcome to", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:47:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "indiebio: and wave deputy vice chancellors signature at them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:48:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "are there any other questions so long, wendar, or can I sommer write an email to Alex now already?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:48:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "have you sent it to me, ginggs? Have you got it yet?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:48:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "haven't got signed copies back yet", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:49:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: did they give us quotes for the lecture theatres?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:49:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "it seemed like we were missing some rooms", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:49:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I haven't looked at it yet... ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:51:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "the AV equipment hire looks a bit expensive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:51:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I did see from a quick look the long exhibition hall...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:51:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "are there maybe just one venue, representing others of identical size?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:52:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I think I'll have to go do another site visit, could do this on Friday...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:52:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "that would be great", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:52:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "talking in person is probably helpful, too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:52:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah, AV stuff does look pricy. I'm sure we could get a better deal elsewhere", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:52:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "idea: would be good to meet with Alex then for a walk through", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:52:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "can i try to put that as an action item", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:53:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed indiebio to arrange meeting with Alex for a walkthrough", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:53:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: indiebio to arrange meeting with Alex for a walkthrough", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:53:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "\\o/", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:53:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "confluency", 
      "message": "Welp, this is what happens when I keep missing meetings. ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:53:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "\\o/", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:53:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "confluency: set a reminder?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:54:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "confluency: happens in my choir too, one suddenly gets given solos if one misses rehearsals...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:54:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "you get to be in charge of c&w meetings", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:54:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "i can imagine worse", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:54:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: any agenda items of yours that we still need to cover?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:56:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: updating spreadsheet now, looks like I've entered Executive Room, Faculty Room, and Lecture Theatre, and they haven't given us prices.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:56:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "those rooms came from their public room list", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:56:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "tumbleweed, I put the items in, are we on the same page?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:56:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: I mean, we've had a rambling discussion, if you want to focus on anything, raise it", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:57:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "all the other rooms we have prices for", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:57:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "'K, catering...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:57:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "ginggs told us earlier he contacted four catering firms and has a one reply back so far, but not a concrete quote", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:57:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "what are the ballpark prices per meal? I know we say cheapest and recommended, but what are our reasonable estimate based on previous years?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:57:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "Are we looking at breakfast, lunch and dinner or what?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:58:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah, we are", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:58:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "though in a townie type venue, there will be fewer people around for dinner, IME", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:58:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "although maybe a fair number of people will choose to dine out", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:58:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:58:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: great minds ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:58:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "given snacks (as all these conference packages seem to have), I can also see breakfast attendance being lower than lunch", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:59:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "are there other ways of saving money? e.g. if they are charging for plates etc, when des it make economic sense to buy our own cutlery/ plates, as a wild example?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:59:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "yeah.  breakfast doesn't really need to be elaborate for everyone", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:59:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "though i guess bigger breakfasts being available would also be OK", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:59:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: in Nicaragua, we bought coffee mugs for all attendees", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:00:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "and in Portland we had the water bottles, but that's not catering as such", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:00:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I saw enamel mugs yesterday, I want one :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:00:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "i'd imagine, hiring crockery is cheaper than buying it, but maybe not by much", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:00:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "also, where would the bought crockery go afterwards?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:00:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "(guess we could donate it to a charity)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yeah, so after how many days does it make more sense to buy, and can one sell these as second hand, ever?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "anyways, just thinking through options", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "There is a rental place in paarden eiland, but it really only makes sense ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "drnlm", 
      "message": "There's a bunch of costs around cleaning everything afterwards an such usually buried in the crockery hire prices, which would still need to be addressed", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and I think that's all I wanted to discuss.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "if we are also doing our own cooking ?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "o/ (sorry for being late)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:01:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "highvoltage: hola", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I think given south african economics, doing our own cooking is uneccessary", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I think as quotes come through I'll try load to git and then email the list", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "mwmwmwm: doesn't really happen at DebConf anymore, own cooking", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(we never do that in the firsst world, where it costs 10x as much)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "ain't nobody got time for cooking :P (I HATE cooking)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "(though access to a kichen would be awesome)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "confluency", 
      "message": "I loff cooking.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "i am cooking-ambivalent.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:02:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "there, we've got the whole cooking-spectrum covered :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:03:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "although I guess switzerland's debconf-run bar had its own cooking", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:03:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I will make you corsets if you cook for me ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:03:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "confluency", 
      "message": "But maybe not catering on a massive scale.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:03:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": ".oO(raclette)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:03:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "confluency", 
      "message": "I would totes make my garlic cheese, but don't blame me if it leads to forking because people can't stand to be near each other afterwards. ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:03:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "I ran a camp kitchen in Kenya for 100, but 200-300 is out of my league. :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:03:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "What I meant is that I was under the impression that catering outfits tend", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:04:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "confluency: rakija solves all those kind of problems", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:04:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "to provide cutlerly with not that much more prompting, so if you want to buy", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:04:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yeah, I guess.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:04:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah, I'd imagine caterers have access to cutlery/crockery at good prices", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:04:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "or rent cutlery, then that would make sense if the caterers are left out", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:04:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "entirely", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:04:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "wendar: wow, that's already impressive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:05:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I think there are definitely ways to save costs around catering", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:06:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but I also assume that this isn't going to be a huge portion of our budget", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:06:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(except maybe for UCT upper campus)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:06:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "so, we probably don't need to worry too much about it right now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:07:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "although, it sounds like feed is going to cost about as much as accom?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:07:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "debianites are hobbits", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:07:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "we like food", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:07:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and we're also very happy with simple food", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:08:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "if only debianites had as awesome food songs :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:08:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(nicaragua was amazing, and I'm assuming scary cheap)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:08:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "I really liked everything about nicaragua.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:08:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "Aren't there hotel schools around ... which somehow could be roped", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:08:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "in or rented or something ...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "there are, actually! ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "someone please action me to go find out about hotel schools", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "talk to arbitraryuser? his wife is a chef", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "not sure if they get inundated by requests, but I'll go find out", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed indiebio to investigate hotel schools", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: indiebio to investigate hotel schools", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "thanks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:10:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:10:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "shall we discuss the bid document", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:10:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "would be quite fun to point conference goers at a large kitchen and", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:10:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "unfortunately cape town doesn't fit the 'africa is cheap' bit.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:10:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "mwmwmwm", 
      "message": "say \"make what you like\" ...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:10:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "cheap, yes, but not insanely so", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:10:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "well, so far we're talking about EU 12-20 per day per person", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:11:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "that's cheap :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:11:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "what's that for? just food?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:11:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "$ make pasta make: *** No rule to make target 'pasta'.  Stop.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:11:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "that's like coffee and lunch", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:12:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "indiebio: so is cape town not cheap compared to europe / us still? sorry, haven't been following the costing so I don't have a clue really", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:12:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "wendar: 12 would be cheap, 20 not so IMHO", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:12:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "not sure, I think we're a bit cheaper, but not as cheap as nicaragua would be. and more expensive than joburg and much more expensive than other african countries.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:12:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "ftr, HD is about 12\u201315, depending on how you calculate", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:12:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "and, that's on the cheap side for Germany", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:13:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "that's very cheap", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:13:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "don't get me wrong, it's doable (12\u201320); I just wouldn't call it \"cheap\" ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:14:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I'd agree, Cape Town in general is doable, but not 'cheap'. ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:14:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but we haven't been scraping the bottom of the pricing barrel, either", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:17:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "anyway", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:17:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we need to get this bid done by the end of the month", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:17:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "madduck was saying we should aim to have all of location checklist covered by the end of the week", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:17:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and aim for 10 days of bid polishing", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:18:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "sound about right?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:18:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "ah, I didn't realise.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:18:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "sounds reasonable", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:18:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "madduck: I don't mean to imply it's a steal, but it's not insanely high", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:18:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "rigt", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:18:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "right", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:19:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "OK, so I'm going to commit at least half of Friday to do venues, and then another half day next week.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:19:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and I'm going to spend some decent time on this, too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:19:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I keep saying that, though :(", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:20:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yeah, year end is a bugger.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:20:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: shall i remind you at intervals?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:20:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: I've been out of touch, anything I could do? I'll have a day or two available next week for this", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:20:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "keeping conversation alive here is good for keeping motivation", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:20:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "+1", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:20:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "highvoltage: reading over what we've got and looking for gaps would be helpful", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:20:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "wendar: will do", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "look at the location check list, and see what we aren't covering well", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "where's that git repository?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "you've got a fresh set of eyes, so you'll see stuff we'll miss", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/bid-capetown.git/", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "there are clone URLs there", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "thanks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "agreed, highvoltage", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:21:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I look at those things and it all blurs...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:22:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ooh, indiebio even had to do a git merge", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:22:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "anything else that we have to discuss?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:23:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "not intentional.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:23:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "nothing from my side...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:23:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "oh, when I was writing up the UCT venues, I thought we should get hold of someone in UCT staff who knows about disabled access", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:23:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "there's a department that handles disabled students, somewhere", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:23:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I just heard montreal or something entered some date into their bid *gets all territorial*", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:24:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I think the venues people will help with that. Hopefully they'll be more responsive now that we have approval", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:24:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "just want to add that I liked the muggs and nicaragua. and all the good signage everywhere. and the cheap (AND good) coffee", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:24:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I think I'll go harass them in person on Friday morning.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:24:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: do you want an action for that?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:25:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "erm, ya, why not", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:25:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed, indiebio to harass someone in UCT about disabled access", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:25:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: Sorry...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:25:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: botslap", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:25:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": ":(", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:25:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed indiebio to harass someone in UCT about disabled access", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:26:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: indiebio to harass someone in UCT about disabled access", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:26:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "be kind to your bot!", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:26:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: botsnack", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:26:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "nom nom", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:26:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "anything else?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:26:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "hahaha, what just happened?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:27:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "he didn't want the comma", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:27:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and then you slapped him??", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:27:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "highvoltage", 
      "message": "it's ok, it's not nearly as violent as it sounds.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:27:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "hahaha. wow. ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:28:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I'll take that as nothing else", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:29:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and we can call it", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:29:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and we kept to exactly an hour. respect.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:30:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: end meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:30:19Z"
    }
  ], 
  "starttime": "2014-11-12T19:33:13Z", 
  "title": "DebConf16 Cape Town Bid", 
  "attendees": {
    "ginggs": null, 
    "tumbleweed": null, 
    "highvoltage": null, 
    "confluency": null, 
    "madduck": null, 
    "wendar": null, 
    "drnlm": null, 
    "mwmwmwm": null, 
    "nattie": null, 
    "indiebio": null
  }, 
  "endtime": "2014-11-12T20:30:19Z", 
  "minutes": [
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": null, 
      "type": "started", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:33:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "indiebio to get UCT-approved prices out of breakwater", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:47:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "subject": "indiebio to arrange meeting with Alex for a walkthrough", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T19:53:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "subject": "indiebio to investigate hotel schools", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:09:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": "indiebio to harass someone in UCT about disabled access", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:26:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": null, 
      "type": "ended", 
      "time": "2014-11-12T20:30:19Z"
    }
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}