{
  "source": "oftc", 
  "convenor": "tumbleweed", 
  "log": [
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: start meeting about DebConf 16 Cape Town planning", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:32:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:32:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "tibid: I am Raoul Snyman", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "superfly: Done", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "ooo, it works!", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: I am Stefano Rivera", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: Righto", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tibid: i am Nattie Mayer-Hutchings", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "nattie: Yessir", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(for people who haven't seen that before, it'll include real names in the minutes, as well as allow everyone to introduce themselves)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nkukard", 
      "message": "tibid: I am Nigel Kukard", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "nkukard: Alrighty", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "oi!  i iz a girl", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nkukard", 
      "message": "would so much like to say \"Your mom\" but yea", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:33:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "err agenda", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:34:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "so, minutes: http://whiteboard.debian.net/9fcb2.wb", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:34:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I've done approximately nothing in the last week, but indiebio and ginggs have been a little more active, I think?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:34:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "there's soooo much space for fooling around with that introducing thing.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:34:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yeah, I'm still busy with the report, I've lost Clare's prices.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:35:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": ":-(\\", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:35:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I mean, the agenda, but it's starting to look like a report  ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:35:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "wendar, do you have clare bock, apetite catering's prices in shorthand nearby please?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:36:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "argh. I know we're all open source and all, but libre office sucks. my humble opinion.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:39:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "helloooo?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:40:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "as do all other office suites I've ever gone near", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:40:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "true", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:40:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "but I can't open clare's quote.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:40:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "how do you force quit something in ubuntu?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:41:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "killall soffice.bin", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:42:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "thanks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:42:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "shall i report back so long?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:45:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly", 
      "message": "oh yeah, office suites suck", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:45:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "please do ginggs, I'm almost up to speed :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:46:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "tibid: i am Graham Inggs", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:46:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "ginggs: Alrighty", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:46:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "ok, we have received the signed applications back from the DVC's office", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:47:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "nice", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:47:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "provisional booking for the venues for 2016 only opens around march 2015", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:48:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ok, we should note that in the bid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:48:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "i have been in contact with three of the film caterers and exhanged a few emails answering questions, but no actual pricing received yet", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:49:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and we navigated the black hole of finding someone who actually responds in the venues@uct realm!!", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:49:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "i think that's shortly after the decision meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:49:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "i think that was all from me", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:50:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "do we need to decide which areas we want floor plans of?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:50:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "ok, my agenda/report for catering is as far as it's going to get.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:50:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "well, tumbleweed, are we still considering Leslie Social or kramer for the entire conference?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:50:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "If I ask for one building only we can probably get more detail.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:51:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "wendar probably can also give advice here", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:51:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "that's a good question", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:51:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "kramer is closer to main road", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:52:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "leslie has big venues", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:52:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but I do like the feel of chem eng (and the pull we have, there)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:52:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I think they're all perfectly viable", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:52:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "My preference is 1. Engineering, 2. Kramer, 3. Leslie", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:53:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: any idea of the connectivity in kramer?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:53:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "But I think I'll ask for basic sizes, and location of plugs", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:53:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ginggs: well, it wouldn't be any worse than anywhere else, right?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:53:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "all these buildings have fibre", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:54:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "no idea, but guess it's the same campus wide. ginggs, does engineering have anything special that the rest of campus wont have?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:54:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "i think upper campus is all the same, i have no idea about middle campus", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:54:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "but i can find out", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:55:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: please make your bot note that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:55:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ginggs: can you remember teh URL of the site with uct network layout?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:55:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed ginggs to inquire about connectivity", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:55:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: ginggs to inquire about connectivity", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:55:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "oops, i should have added \"on middle campus\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:56:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(sorry, distracted) indiebio: I added apetite to the spreadsheet", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:56:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "thanks :) I finally found it and managed to open it, eventually. I put all the stuff on the agenda page too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:57:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "and, agreed on preference for Engineering", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:57:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "http://nom.uct.ac.za/ ?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:57:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "We may want one room from other building for opening and closing keynotes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:57:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "wendar, how strong is that preference, should we even still investigate others?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:57:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "but, I think not for the whole event", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:57:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I will definitely book Leslie Social 2A for the plenaries.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:58:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "what would we do for accommodation?  halls?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:58:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "is the break long enough for that?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:58:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "for the video team, moving between venues is horrible esp, between buildings", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:58:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "Accommodation I have not had any replies, will be looing at Fuller Hall. It's within walking distance,", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:58:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "(sorry for daftish questions)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:58:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "nattie: that's the plan,yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:58:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: ok :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:59:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: Snape LT! or Menzies 9 or 10 were also options for plenaries on smaller attendence", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:59:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "er, LT1", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:59:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "BUT ginggs and I couldn;t quite figure out how a wheelchair will make it up without very fit uphill and long winding roads", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:59:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yes, I'll book those anyways too.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:59:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "nattie: http://www.uct.ac.za/calendar/terms/", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:59:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "moving between venues is horrible, yes, but it would only be for 2 half-days", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:59:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "The way I see it, I expect tehse venues to be free (I asked but that question went unanswered, and I expect UCT to back this which would add support), and it will be holidays, so these won't be used either way.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: would a small campus cart be an option for wheelchair transport?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "indiebio: the two main wheelchair users i can think of who might attend - one's actually very fit apart from the whole not-walking thing, and the other has a very snazzy powered chair", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "(just a couple of trips?)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "wendar: like an airport cart thingie?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly_", 
      "message": "online", 
      "type": "notice", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "wendar: they exist (wheelchair transport)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "wendar, Jammie shuttles have a wheelchair dedicated mini-bus, that we could rent, yes.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "nattie: yah, sort of grounds-keeper carts", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "or the bus, yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:00:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I see it at the station, there's a blind academic that uses it too.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:01:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "can you please note that I should bug the accommodation people again? I think they were busy with people vacating last time", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:01:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "we'll likely be arranging Jammie shuttles or similar for evening dinner outings, so we can ask about it at the same time", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:01:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "tibid: agreed indiebio to contact accommodation people about accessibility again", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:02:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Agreed: indiebio to contact accommodation people about accessibility again", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:02:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "wendar, we can ask about Jammies now, but I'm a bit worried they might not exist in 2016 or something. They've been rather tumultous financially, I think, ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:02:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: thanks so much for all this running around. I'm feeling rather guilty now :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:02:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we should probably find out about jammies either way, and a private transport company, too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:03:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "it's a great procrastination tool :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:03:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and only a few emails, not a big deal", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:03:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "ok, I can do Jammie, but I think someone else must volunteer for the private transport quotes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:04:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "perhaps superfly?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:04:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "or nkukard?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:04:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nkukard", 
      "message": "not something I have any expertise in at all :(", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:05:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "oh ya, nattie, thanks for reminding. if we use UCT Upper and their accommodation, the dates are likely to be 6 - 16 July. ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:05:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ginggs: http://www.icts.uct.ac.za/images/Network_Blueprint_version_5_5November2007.pdf - Kramer houses one of the distribution switches", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:06:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "so it is as well connected as Leslie", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:06:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly_", 
      "message": "I'm sorry, I don't have the time :-( I'm just a fly on the wall", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:07:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "nkukard, doubt anybody has, we just need a bit of grafting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:07:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "nkukard: i can help you formulate an inquiry mail if you like", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:08:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I don't think the private transport thing is urgent. I don't expect transport to be a huge expense", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:08:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but it'd be useful", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:08:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "superfly_", 
      "message": "I imagine a lot of people would probably want to try their luck with our minibus taxis :-P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:08:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nkukard", 
      "message": "indiebio, if my PA didn't quit cause she got cancer it would of been no problem at all :) , I fly out next week around europe giving advanced cloud infrastructure seminars and lectures :(, after that mid dec I\"m 100% available", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:09:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "I wonder if we could arrange an Uber discount for the week? They are all Ubuntu-based.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:10:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nkukard", 
      "message": "nattie, indiebio , mid Dec I'm all yours :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:10:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "probably, Uber was sponsoring some TEDx events", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:10:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ok, so what else do we need to cover?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:10:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "they're also a bit controversial... but probably less so in SA", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:10:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:10:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: you mentioned a 10% breakwater discount? Is that all they had to offer?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:11:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "Breakwater - is 10% discount enough, wendar?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:11:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "It looks like it. business types. ptsh.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:11:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I don't think that makes any difference to us", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:11:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "yeah, that's what I thought, that and the small restaurant killed breakwater for me. :/", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:11:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: the room prices for non-university were nearly double the university rate", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:11:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "so, 10% is something, but not enough to put it in our range", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:11:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "'K, so scratch that then", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:12:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "so, I guess we go with the bid as UCT Main, with a backup of...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:12:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "hmmm... TechnoPark?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:12:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "this may simplify the bid drafting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:12:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "if TechnoPark, then back to August?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:13:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "technopark is approaching R1m, without accom", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:13:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "it's not cheap, but probably within range?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:13:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "egads.  i've never budgeted a million of anything for anything", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:14:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "and river club?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:14:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "indiebio: you just want to play golf ;-)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:14:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "indiebio: we don't have any kind of accom prices for that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:14:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but I assume they'll be similarish?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:14:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "nope, their pub was just very inviting. and it's pretty and near water", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:15:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(rather black water)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:15:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "but aren't they rebranding shortly?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:15:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "indiebio: we could plan a pub night at river club :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:15:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "hmmm, we could try uct acc? or is that putting all eggs in one basket?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:15:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "with regards to the bid it's flying blind what with all the renovations...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:15:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I think I'm ok with technopark as a backup, with the understanding that that means significantly less money for travel sponsorship", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:16:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "nod", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:16:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "it's a safer backup bet than river club, because there are less unknowns", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:16:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "*nods*", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:16:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "though people might throw a strop at reduced travel sponsorship", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:16:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "but it's only a backup venue, anyway", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "agreeed", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "eeee", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": ":)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah, we could always fundrais extra-hard to make up :P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "we could have a bake sale :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "anyone good at cakes here?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "not me.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:17:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "OK. Anything else we need to talk about?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:18:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "my stomach wants to discuss lunch", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:18:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "well, yes, catering.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:18:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(away from here)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:18:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I put the numbers on the agenda.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:18:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I contacted some hotel schools, only TTBISA came back (well, one or two others came back with no)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:19:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "those numbers look fine. They are restuarant-level prices, so I'd like to think we could get cheaper. But we can budget with this", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:19:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "They sound really enthusiastic", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:19:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "that's nice", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:19:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "Yeah. Clare Bock also emailed again today to check back, she sounds very very professional.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:19:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I don't have experience with this. Are restuarant-level prices what we should expect from large scale catering like this?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:20:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I told her about the bid, but also said I'll keep her updated. Any comments to relay to her?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:20:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "hello, i am sorry i missed the meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:20:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I have NO idea. I don't even know who to ask. But can give it a think. For now we have quotes for the bid...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:20:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "not entirely", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:20:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "her numbers looked good, and flexibility for alternate diets looked good too", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:20:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "hi madduck!", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:21:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "i am in instanbul and while I thought I could be back at the hotel in time, traffic here is of another dimension.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:21:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": ":)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:21:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "I'm curious to see what the movie caterers quote", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:21:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "message": "madduck: it's fine.  you can catch up later.  we're just on catering now.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:21:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "could also contact our old office lunch caterers. They used to be really cheap", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:21:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(R40 for lunch, IIRC)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:22:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "this is also Cape Town. I am not enthusiastic on getting bargain prices... back on that old horse. but the movie caterers might do something different?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:22:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but this would be a big scale for them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:22:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "anyways, we can refine that in due time.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:22:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "Food Lab said they had a range of options", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:22:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah, there's a long time to nail all of this down", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:22:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "we just need a budget for the bid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:22:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "so it can be tailored to the budget, i asked them just to quote on the middle of the road", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:23:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ginggs: sounds good", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:23:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "they said they had recently catered for Navy Week, and would base our quote on that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:23:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "yeah, flexibility will be good, what sort of advance notice do they need?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:24:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ginggs", 
      "message": "madduck: i have no idea", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:25:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "OK, we're at 55 mins. Any other business?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:25:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "indiebio", 
      "message": "not from me", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:25:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "ginggs: this is something to check so we know it early and might be able to negotiate as well.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:26:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "i.e. in heidelberg, we have *rough* numbers 4 weeks ahead, final numbers one week notice", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:26:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "madduck", 
      "message": "which is rather long but I bit into a rock trying to get shorter times", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:26:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "after the reconfirmation, I don't know how much more detail we have on attendee numbers. Do people e-mail saying they aren't coming?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:27:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "rarely", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:27:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "in Portland, we told the caterers to anticipate roughly 80% of confirmed attendees would actually eat", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:28:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ok, I want to call this, and go get lunch", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:28:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "and that turned out to be pretty accurat, IIRC", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:28:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "it did, yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:29:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "lunch sounds good", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:29:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "wendar", 
      "message": "thanks!", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:29:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: end meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:29:18Z"
    }
  ], 
  "starttime": "2014-11-19T19:32:57Z", 
  "title": "DebConf 16 Cape Town planning", 
  "attendees": {
    "ginggs": "Graham Inggs", 
    "tumbleweed": "Stefano Rivera", 
    "madduck": null, 
    "superfly": "Raoul Snyman", 
    "indiebio": null, 
    "nkukard": "Nigel Kukard", 
    "nattie": "Nattie Mayer-Hutchings", 
    "superfly_": null, 
    "wendar": null
  }, 
  "endtime": "2014-11-19T20:29:18Z", 
  "minutes": [
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": null, 
      "type": "started", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:32:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "subject": "ginggs to inquire about connectivity", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T19:55:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "nattie", 
      "subject": "indiebio to contact accommodation people about accessibility again", 
      "type": "agreed", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:02:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "subject": null, 
      "type": "ended", 
      "time": "2014-11-19T20:29:18Z"
    }
  ], 
  "channel": "#debconf16-capetown"
}