Convened at 2014-11-26 19:45:43.974548 by tumbleweed
in #debconf16-capetown on oftc
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<tumbleweed>
tibid: start meeting about DebConf 16 Cape Town bid
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* tibid
gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
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<tumbleweed>
so, we have less than a week to submit the bid
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<superfly>
tibid: I'm Raoul Snyman
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<tibid>
superfly: Sorry...
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<superfly>
tibid: I am Raoul Snyman
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<tibid>
superfly: Righto
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<tumbleweed>
tibid: I'm Stefano Rivera
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<tibid>
tumbleweed: Sorry...
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<tumbleweed>
tibid: I am Stefano Rivera
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<tibid>
tumbleweed: Righto
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<tumbleweed>
that'll teach me to copy people
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<superfly>
hehehe
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<madduck>
how formal
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<madduck>
tibid: I am Martin Krafft
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<tibid>
madduck: Righto
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<hvhaugwitz>
tibid: I'm Hannes von Haugwitz
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<tibid>
hvhaugwitz: What?
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<hvhaugwitz>
?
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<ginggs>
I am Graham Inggs
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<tumbleweed>
ginggs: address the bot
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<tumbleweed>
hvhaugwitz: syntax: "I am ..."
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<hvhaugwitz>
tibid: I am Hannes von Haugwitz
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<tibid>
hvhaugwitz: Okay
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<ginggs>
tibid: I am Graham Inggs
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<tibid>
ginggs: Righto
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<superfly>
Daddy duty calls, be back in a bit
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<tumbleweed>
ok
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<tumbleweed>
is there anything new from the last week?
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<tumbleweed>
I've been as lazy as ever :/
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<tumbleweed>
but there's a thanksgiving long weekend coming up, so I guess I'll be making up for that :)
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<indiebio>
I did nothing this week, had some rather big meetings, but they're done now, so I should get some stuff done tomorrow
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<indiebio>
all to report back is that Breakwater came back and is wiling to negotiate, but I haven't had a reply to our response to cut their prices in half...
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<ginggs>
Last week tumbleweed found the network diagrams for middle campus (Kramer) and it is as well connected as any building in upper campus
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<tumbleweed>
any idea about adding ourselves as an eduroam realm?
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<ginggs>
I've found out that it has full Eduroam (wifi) coverage as well ( http://www.icts.uct.ac.za/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6039 )
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<ginggs>
tumbleweed: no idea. I thought we could just get temporary user accounts for each delegate (T numbers)
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<tumbleweed>
ginggs: o_O looks like icts' website articles are stored in LDAP. Mind blown. from http://www.icts.uct.ac.za/modules.php?name=Search&topic=4
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<ginggs>
For reference, wireless coverage maps for the entire campus: http://www.icts.uct.ac.za/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3363
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<tumbleweed>
those wireless maps double as floor plans. nice
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<tumbleweed>
(if ugly ones)
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<indiebio>
oooh, nice
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<indiebio>
what do you mean, ugly?? they just need a scale
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<tumbleweed>
no scale, low res
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* superfly
is back
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<indiebio>
I can just ask where they come from and if we can get the higher-res,
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<tumbleweed>
I'm sure P&S has plans for all buildings
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<tumbleweed>
but they may not want to share them
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<indiebio>
yeah, but responding to emails seems a bit tricky for them.
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<tumbleweed>
ok back to our non-existent agenda
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<tumbleweed>
indiebio: any idea how much breakwater would negotiate?
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<ginggs>
Still no firm quotations from any of the film caterers, even after I received a call back from Byron @ She-Sha yesterday :( Hopefully we get at least one before the deadline to get some idea of pricing. I'll chase them up again.
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<tumbleweed>
indiebio: would it be enough for us to seriously consider them?
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<superfly>
tumbleweed: I don't think the articles are stored in LDAP, it's probably just the site that uses LDAP for auth&auth
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<tumbleweed>
superfly: that sounds more likely
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<indiebio>
tumbleweed: I don't know. I also suspect, from a TEDx event that was held there, they're not entirely good on their word, but I guess we will have more clout than a 'for-free' student driven event?
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<tumbleweed>
indiebio: hard to say, TEDx has a far stronger brand than Debian
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<indiebio>
I do think the response was good enough to list as an option, even a distant one?
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<tumbleweed>
that sounds sane. We bid with what we have. We don't have to have a locked-down venue
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<indiebio>
but they didn't pay anything to GSB, I think. anyways.
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<highvoltage>
o/
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<tumbleweed>
indiebio: you had an action to contact accom people about accessibility? any joy?
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<indiebio>
did nothing, really, sorry. made a note to do so tomorrow.
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<tumbleweed>
np
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<tumbleweed>
anything else we need to discuss?
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<tumbleweed>
I guess how we get from here to a bid, in a few days
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<madduck>
yay! bid!
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<tumbleweed>
I'd strongly encourage everyone to hang out here when you can, and make a noise. We need to get this rolling, somehow, and maintain the momentum
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<tumbleweed>
I should have some time this afternoon, to start working at it
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<madduck>
you could subscribe the mailing list to the wiki diff bot
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<tumbleweed>
that sounds like a good idea
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<highvoltage>
I wouldn't even know where to start to be honest. would it be useful to maintain some kind of todo list / tracker?
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<indiebio>
I got the idea we just put the bid page onto the official bid page or something like that
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<tumbleweed>
indiebio: sure, but we need to polish it into shape, first
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<madduck>
so what is your bid going to be like? one venue?
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<madduck>
with a backup that's already developed?
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<tumbleweed>
madduck: I think a main, and 2 backups
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<tumbleweed>
breakwater is still on the cards
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<tumbleweed>
technopark is a good non-UCT backup
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<madduck>
okay, would the backups be strong enough to be listed next to the main in a table, like dc15?
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<tumbleweed>
breakwater is
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<tumbleweed>
technopark isn't developed enough, I think?
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<tumbleweed>
indiebio, wendar?
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<indiebio>
not to my knowledge, no
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<madduck>
well, main+strong backup+backup backup sounds like you could make it a table and subpages like dc15
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<madduck>
i just feel that's a better way to present than an all-in-one page
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<tumbleweed>
yeah, that'd probably make sense
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<indiebio>
so that would be a good thing to do, focus on technopark and use that location checklist to refresh our memory on anything else venue related...
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<madduck>
so what you could do is copy the dc15 pages and simply revamp it all to suit dc16
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<tumbleweed>
highvoltage: we need to address the content of LocationCheckList in the bid. So it's our todo list
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<madduck>
and when you are done, then read through the checklist and make sure you've included all peculiarities
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<madduck>
all details, if relevant.
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<highvoltage>
tumbleweed: righto
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<tumbleweed>
if someone could transform that into a more approachable todo list, that'd be a good first task
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<tumbleweed>
I mean, look at what we have, and figure out what we're missing
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<tumbleweed>
and then there's just polish polish polish
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<indiebio>
tunbleweed, I think that could be done as we do technopark, because there
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<indiebio>
there's nothing on technopark yet, so that will be a way, for me at least, to get used to the list
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<madduck>
tumbleweed: I would use the final bid to figure out what's missing, rather than to do another level of indirection at this point
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<madduck>
there is not much time left.
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<tumbleweed>
madduck: yeah. But one needs to do the comparison other bids / checklist, to see what we're missing, and find a good starting point
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<tumbleweed>
sure, don't waste too much time, drawing up a list of what to do, rather do it :)
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<madduck>
we put a lot of time into dc15 to make sure it was a complete bid
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<madduck>
just saying, there's your framework
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<tumbleweed>
yeah
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<indiebio>
ah, OK, I confused location checklist with the bigger checklist.
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<madduck>
about comparison with other bids: you need not compare yourself to other dc16 bids yet.
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<tumbleweed>
although that was later in the cycle than this. we can expect to be a little less confused
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<madduck>
tumbleweed: later in what cycle?
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<tumbleweed>
the bid was in jan last year, wasn't it?
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<madduck>
yeah sure, but we were done in december too ;)
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<tumbleweed>
err a little less complete, not confused
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<madduck>
yes you need not be complete
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<madduck>
it's just my suggestion to use a framework, but ymmv
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<tumbleweed>
any other business?
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<madduck>
I would be very happy to critically "proof-read" the bid once its done
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<madduck>
but I can only realistically do this Sunday morning.
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<tumbleweed>
that'll be useful
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<indiebio>
So if I'm reading this right, we all have an ACTION point to fill this in (on a new copy, obviously): https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/LocationCheckList
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<indiebio>
and we should try to have something for madduck on sunday morning.
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<tumbleweed>
that's the plan
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<indiebio>
that's doable
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<tumbleweed>
indiebio: not really a new copy, but into our bid
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<tumbleweed>
e.g. the venue pages I started contain a chunk of it
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<indiebio>
ah, well, even more doable. I don't see a problem, TBH
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<tumbleweed>
yeah
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<tumbleweed>
ok, I think we're pretty much wound up
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* tumbleweed
can go try to get lunch
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<tumbleweed>
tibid: end meeting