Minutes from Meeting about DebConf16 Convened at 2015-06-24 19:06:14.857352 by tumbleweed in #debconf16-capetown on oftc Minutes ======= [19:06:14] STARTED (tumbleweed) [19:11:21] TOPIC: dates (tumbleweed) [19:16:18] TOPIC: Accommodation (tumbleweed) [19:26:23] AGREED: indiebio to book the whole of Fuller (tumbleweed) [19:41:01] AGREED: tumbleweed to look into starting a company, further (tumbleweed) [19:42:07] TOPIC: Venues (tumbleweed) [19:47:06] AGREED: indiebio to find the venue floorplans and plugpoints for LSS (tumbleweed) [19:48:29] AGREED: highvoltage to add a local teamrole for disabled assistance (tumbleweed) [19:49:25] TOPIC: Design (tumbleweed) [19:56:24] TOPIC: Sponsor Brochure (tumbleweed) [20:02:22] TOPIC: Prospective sponsors list (tumbleweed) [20:06:16] TOPIC: next meeting (tumbleweed) [20:10:17] ENDED (tumbleweed) Present ======= * ginggs * MeetBot * Stefano Rivera (tumbleweed) * cate * tamo * madduck * superfly * wendar * Bernelle Verster (indiebio) * highvoltage (highvoltage) Raw Log ======= [19:06:14] tibid: start meeting about DebConf16 [19:06:14] * tibid gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [19:06:15] ok [19:06:29] ah good old tibid \o/ [19:06:29] roll call for the record please? [19:06:32] . [19:06:46] o/ [19:06:51] ♥ [19:06:51] tibid: I am Stefano Rivera [19:06:51] tumbleweed: Done [19:06:54] indiebio: could you write "#endmeeting" ? [19:06:59] o/ [19:07:08] #endmeeting [19:07:09] Minutes: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf16-capetown/2015/debconf16-capetown.2015-05-27-19.02.html [19:07:09] Minutes (text): http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf16-capetown/2015/debconf16-capetown.2015-05-27-19.02.txt [19:07:09] Meeting ended Wed Jun 24 19:06:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) [19:07:09] Log: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf16-capetown/2015/debconf16-capetown.2015-05-27-19.02.log.html [19:07:13] aah, there we go [19:07:14] tibid: I am highvoltage [19:07:14] highvoltage: Done [19:07:30] a one month long meeting :) [19:07:34] tibid: I am Bernelle Verster [19:07:34] indiebio: Done [19:07:50] we ended that meeting, but with my registration enslave stuff that must have broken [19:08:19] let's go [19:09:15] ok. Preamble: [19:09:45] I tried to make the whiteboard stuff as complete as possible, feel free to read ahead and add stuff/questions [19:09:49] 1. Budget [19:10:11] nkukard seems absent [19:10:29] I don't think we should spend time on this now. Next meeting, please… [19:10:29] yeas, he apologised. [19:10:39] ok. [19:11:03] o/ [19:11:05] 2. DebConf dates [19:11:08] - tamo online [19:11:21] tibid: topic dates [19:11:21] Current Topic: dates [19:11:30] the dates are a bit firmer, in the vicinity of the first two weeks in July. [19:11:39] And I think we're all in agreement this is OK? [19:11:49] yes [19:11:50] yeah, no objection [19:11:55] Hi everyone better late than never! [19:12:09] hi tamo! [19:12:15] new dates look good [19:12:18] hi tamo! [19:12:19] brilliant. [19:12:20] https://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2016-07/ is still empty [19:12:41] (that generally tracks the kind of conferences that affect our attendees) [19:12:51] excellent [19:12:57] other major event or holodays in SA during such dates? [19:12:58] I never even knew about that one, thanks [19:13:17] http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/south-africa/2016 [19:13:23] no, July's quiet [19:13:45] Jul 18 | Monday | Nelson Mandela Day | Observance [19:14:02] It's not an actual public holiday [19:14:06] so that's all great. [19:14:11] *nod* [19:14:19] June 16 is a public holiday, but I don't think DebConf is going to be that early? [19:14:20] do we want to chat about this more or move on? [19:14:20] fix the dates as soon as you can. that'll benefit everyone. [19:14:39] yes, madduck. Will follow up in first week in July. [19:14:51] move on? [19:14:55] Hi superfly glad to see you back in action. [19:15:04] Next ACTION is to commit DebCamp, DebConf to actual proprosed dates and see how that works. [19:15:08] tamo: thanks :-) [19:15:21] How do people feel about following the exact same structure as for DC15? [19:15:38] indiebio: it is fine. it is also the usual structure [19:15:43] indiebio: awesome that makes everything just feel so much more real (I'm getting excited all over again) [19:15:47] I really like to have long DebCamp [19:15:53] excellent. ok. moving on. [19:16:01] highvoltage +1! [19:16:11] 3. Accommodation [19:16:18] tibid: topic Accommodation [19:16:18] Current Topic: Accommodation [19:16:35] This availability is what fixes the dates, by the way. [19:17:11] The short of it is we now have approval. We need to fill the booking form, then we pay the deposit, then it's ours [19:17:34] The booking form is on git: Commercial Groups Booking Form_15.pdf in accommodation folder [19:17:58] The good news is alcohol in that contract is not a solid not allowed. [19:18:15] we also have 2016 prices for the budget. [19:18:16] no-smoking is ok. Is there a place nearby to party (with alcools) [is also fine so]? [19:18:39] Yes cate [19:19:02] so, deposit = 50% of total accom cost? [19:19:02] So on the whiteboard I tried to indicate the distances, referencing the map [19:19:06] Yes lots of places in the area, and close to town too [19:19:08] we might be able to negotiate a designated area where alcohol may be consumed by attendees [19:19:17] I suggest we take a few minutes reading through section 3, if you haven't already [19:19:31] yes tumbleweed, if I remember correctly [19:20:25] i already replied in https://lists.debian.org/debconf16-team/2015/06/msg00012.html [19:20:35] * madduck migrates to whiteboard [19:20:59] I like the references idea, madduck [19:21:22] madduck I've already copied your comments from the email [19:21:36] i saw, thanks! [19:21:46] FYI, I can probably loan DebConf the money for the deposit. I have lots of Rands sitting around doing nothing [19:21:46] residence is opnly the building, inside the campus, right? [19:22:06] indiebio: I am sure we can get those references. cate, could you try to get a statement from the dc13 guy? [19:22:16] i can get you one for dc15, I am sure. [19:22:35] cate, there are a few residences. Fuller is on campus, about, I don't know, 200m or so from the lecture venue? [19:23:16] then there are guest houses a bit away. I have not followed up on family and more fancy accommodation yet, as I see the university residence as the critical thing to focus on first, as that decides the dates [19:23:28] yep [19:23:29] indiebio: so it is a lot better then dc10. teh entire campus were alcool-free (in principle) [19:23:37] madduck: I can try [19:24:01] cate: it can't hurt, even beyond dc16… so don't just make it about alcohol, but do make sure that they mention how behaved we were. [19:24:04] no, there is a pub on campus as well [19:24:27] crawling distance from residences? ;) [19:24:31] :P [19:24:31] in South Africa you cannot consume alcohol in public though [19:24:34] madduck: yep [19:24:37] yes madduck :) [19:24:40] madduck: over the road from one of them [19:24:42] phew [19:24:45] :) [19:25:10] indiebio: this isn't really enforced, though. And the university is private property [19:25:24] yeah, as long as you behave [19:25:29] yeah, there are security... [19:25:49] It's usually fine if you give the security a beer [19:25:58] (wait this is logged right?) [19:26:00] I think we're getting distracted :) [19:26:06] ok, so ACTION from accommodaiton: I'm going to go ahead and book the whole of Fuller residence (229), base the contract and deposit on that [19:26:21] just the deposit seems high. But when we should pay (end year or earlier)? [19:26:23] tibid: agreed indiebio to book the whole of Fuller [19:26:23] Agreed: indiebio to book the whole of Fuller [19:26:33] cate: I assume when we sign [19:26:36] and then keep a arrangement to have rooms in Smuts for overflow, to be decided on a later stage [19:26:42] but as I said, I think that shouldn't be an issue [19:26:52] indiebio: given their cancellation policy [19:26:58] I'd be tempted to over-book [19:27:00] which is? [19:27:05] tumbleweed: +1 [19:27:10] book out both Fuller and Smuts? [19:27:23] highvoltage: cancellations/reductions before 45 days in advance look like they get a full refund [19:27:27] err madduck [19:27:33] well then by all means [19:27:37] book it all [19:27:45] when is the downpayment due? [19:28:00] section 4.1 [19:28:05] on page 3 of booking form: [19:28:06] says No contract for accommodation shall come into existence unless [19:28:07] and until the University has accepted and confirmed a booking and the Client has paid the relevant deposit [19:28:09] per day X no. of guests X no. of nights X 50% = Deposit payable (For detailed information on payment period: see [19:28:09] "1. A deposit calculated according to the following formula is required in order to secure your booking: Rate per person [19:28:09] section – Clause: Deposit.)" [19:28:31] a) 50% of the total amount is due with return of completed booking form and signed copy of UCT’s Terms & Conditions [19:28:32] I can try to arrange less, but doubt they would fall for it [19:28:45] not unlikely they will [19:28:54] seriously, I don't think that's an issue [19:29:03] ok, so anyways, I will book and find out the details and get back to you [19:29:06] anyway, what happens if we cancel part of the booking? do we get surplus downpayment back? [19:29:17] madduck: section 3 [19:29:25] ok, sorry [19:29:28] we need to convince DPL to release the funds (which should not be difficult), but we need some numbers for the debian revisors [19:29:31] tumbleweed: from me, -1 on using personal funds for deposits though (unless it's a last resort, I'm not sure what the precedent is for that) [19:29:33] oooh [19:29:35] b) A further 25% is payable 30 days after date of first payment. [19:30:50] huh? [19:31:21] highvoltage: yeah, let's not discuss this here. I'm just saying I have the cash, and trust DebConf and the university. Not necessarily other parties we contract with, though... [19:31:33] ack [19:31:46] so the downpayment situation seems a bit unclear [19:32:07] they do have a clause "unless the University agrees in [19:32:07] writing to other payment terms." so this sounds like we can reach some agreement. [19:32:10] I think the best thing to do is to be frank with them and tell them that we are booking it all because it's not unlikely we'll need it [19:32:25] I will find out more, and then bring it back. [19:32:27] but to also ask them to spell out what happens if we reduce the numbers >45 days beforehand. [19:32:36] to you for discussion [19:32:58] +1 to that [19:33:02] if we book 200% and downpay 50% of that, then we effectively paid it all already. So now if only 80% show up, do we get money back? [19:33:09] madduck: it is explained in page 5. anu cancellation or reduction within 45-30 days [19:33:09] yes, more discussion with more details [19:33:20] cate: not the interaction with downpayment. [19:33:48] and specifically whether we get downpayment fully credited or refunded if needed [19:34:40] so, R283*460*7*0.5 = R455 630. this now only for DebConf, as DebCamp is less, and we should deal with that separately, no? [19:35:00] That's about 33 500 EUR [19:35:11] so, 460 is probably too high [19:35:21] So 460 is max residence capacity, and 7 days [19:35:26] yeah [19:35:30] 350? [19:35:30] is that one residence? [19:35:39] 229 in Fuller, and 230 in Smuts [19:35:48] madduck: what size did you initially book for for dc15? [19:36:05] i booked the whole venue but had to agree on a minimum occupancy of 350 [19:36:08] how many DebCamp people does DC15 have so far? [19:36:25] We can just start with Fuller only. [19:36:42] indiebio: if there is no downside starting big, it's better to keep the options as long as possible [19:36:51] ok [19:37:05] and if the downpayment is refunded if we cancel >45 days in advance, then there is no reason to not just go for it [19:37:06] madduck: the downside to starting big seems to be the deposit, maybe we can negotiate on that [19:37:20] we have the money, as long as we can be sure that we're not sinking it [19:37:23] presumably whatever deposit we make doesn't receive interest, so it's just the cost of that money [19:37:28] madduck: nod [19:37:47] tumbleweed: interest is 0 over here anyway ;) [19:37:52] not in ZA :) [19:37:54] madduck: who do we need approval from on the DebConf side to make the deposit? [19:37:59] well, debian never collected interest. [19:38:12] wendar: cate can help you with that, as DebConf chair. [19:38:24] and, am I the person whose details go on the contract, or someone more official? [19:38:44] ideally a company, I think [19:38:47] well, that's a liability question [19:38:49] I had a contact about that, and never followed up [19:38:51] wendar: DPL is responsible for Debian funds, and we chairs we are the interface to DPL [19:39:19] indiebio: I would not sign anything personally, but we have to figure out what legal entity to use [19:39:49] tumbleweed: can you followup? [19:39:55] ok, who can I ACTION on that? [19:39:58] DC15 founded an organisation (DebConf e. V.), wouldn't we do the same thing in SA? [19:40:00] How hard is it to create a throw-away non-profit in ZA? [19:40:10] (or am I misunderstanding?) [19:40:15] highvoltage: no, spot on… [19:40:25] madduck: yeah, will do [19:40:34] indiebio: +1 about not signing anything as you [19:40:39] becoming more difficult... I need someone who can action on finding this out please - tumbleweed? [19:40:54] tibid: agreed, tumbleweed to look into starting a company, further [19:40:54] tumbleweed: *blink* [19:41:01] tibid: agreed tumbleweed to look into starting a company, further [19:41:01] Agreed: tumbleweed to look into starting a company, further [19:41:07] * tumbleweed really must get him to support a comma, there [19:41:11] non-profit, afaik not that tough, if you don't want to pay tax... that's another story [19:41:11] indiebio: me [19:41:19] indiebio: nkukard was also going to look into that [19:41:19] thanks [19:41:30] can you do it please? [19:41:37] highvoltage: well, depends on the sponsoring situation and the tax rate. Generally, we don't want to pay tax. [19:41:37] I will [19:41:46] ok, cna we move on please? [19:41:57] yeah [19:42:01] 4. Actual conference venue [19:42:07] tibid: topic Venues [19:42:07] Current Topic: Venues [19:42:11] I now have Leslie Social Sciences confirmed. [19:42:21] I can't remember if wendar had a look at this venue? [19:42:30] I did, I loved the open central area. [19:42:31] yep, she saw it [19:42:38] Not so sure about small meeting rooms? [19:42:42] tumbleweed and ginggs know it, and I think the infrastructure is good as well (internet etc) [19:42:44] They seemed to all be enormous. [19:42:51] there's lots of small ones on the lower level [19:42:53] Perfect for opening and closing [19:43:01] Also, not sure about wheelchair access? [19:43:09] there is good wheelchair access [19:43:12] there's lots of ramps everywhere [19:43:13] the building has elevators [19:43:14] They were tiered with stairs [19:43:16] and ramps [19:43:19] great! [19:43:29] yeah, wheelchairs would have to come in at ground level, where the presenter is [19:43:29] there is also a canteen, coffee shop, ATM's, so I think it's good [19:43:35] Overall, I'm pleased with the switch. [19:43:47] Not as modern or pretty, but a whole lot more flexible for our needs. [19:44:06] does it have hack-lab type spaces? [19:44:15] We need to make sure we've got plenty of tables, chairs, and power in the main area. [19:44:15] indiebio: I don't think I know the classrooms in it [19:44:20] as in boardroom type seating or what? [19:44:38] no, just flat room with tables [19:44:43] not as many plugpoints [19:44:55] tumbleweed: I suspect we might just cordon off part of the enormous main area for hack-lab space. [19:45:00] we'd put out multiplugs on tables [19:45:05] are all hacklabs/talkrooms in the same building? [19:45:08] wendar: downside of that is that it's kind of public [19:45:09] tumbleweed: though, I don't know about noise [19:45:13] yeah [19:45:15] tumbleweed: nod [19:45:26] I see now, the EBE_Faculty_23-06-2015_12h50_venue_confirmation.pdf form in the accommodation folder in git lists snape venues [19:45:29] opening hours? [19:45:37] I know Leslie commerce has lots of flat rooms [19:45:41] cate: talkrooms and enormous open spaces are all in the same building, not sure about quiet hacklabs [19:45:40] should we have a team on https://debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/LocalTeamRoles for special assistance for any kind of disabled people who can help them in areas where access/hills/etc might be a problem? [19:45:44] ah snape works [19:45:59] or, no, those flat rooms were knocked down to build the new amphithere type lecture halls [19:46:04] cate: we will try for swipe card access for 24 hour access. [19:46:17] I did not get confirmation from venues, but normal students with student cards have that access [19:46:32] the new snape has plugpoints everywhere :) [19:46:39] indiebio: if we get 24 hour access, and Leslie allows alcohol, that may solve the problem on that front :) [19:46:47] ok, ACTION here: find the venue floorplans and plugpoints like we did for NEB [19:47:06] tibid: agreed indiebio to find the venue floorplans and plugpoints for LSS [19:47:06] Agreed: indiebio to find the venue floorplans and plugpoints for LSS [19:47:14] ACTION: highvoltage to add a local teamrole for disabled assistance [19:47:24] I wonder if we could rent a bunch of couches to fill one corner of the Leslie open area? [19:47:38] so this all looks agreeable and starting to move, which is good :) [19:47:55] oh yeah, totally, wendar. but let's look at that later. [19:48:00] nod [19:48:09] floor plans (ish): http://www.icts.uct.ac.za/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3363 [19:48:14] tumbleweed, please ACTION: highvoltage to add a local teamrole for disabled assistance [19:48:27] can we move on? [19:48:29] tibid: agreed highvoltage to add a local teamrole for disabled assistance [19:48:29] Agreed: highvoltage to add a local teamrole for disabled assistance [19:48:33] move on [19:48:37] blueprint are needed for network and video planing. We need only later, but probably it is simpler to ask them from the beginning [19:49:11] we didn't have a problem getting it for NEB - that link has them [19:49:20] 5. Design [19:49:25] tibid: topic Design [19:49:25] Current Topic: Design [19:49:38] tamo, I've joined dropbox, haven't added to git, talk us through it while I do that please? [19:50:16] Hi yes I have opened a Dropbox folder with subfolders called Logo's, website and marketing [19:50:49] link? [19:51:15] I have done revised logo's as per our last meeting changing all to Deconf, and then worked on some website designed that I am tweaking and will send [19:51:35] oooh! [19:51:38] it's on dropbox currently. Do you want me to add stuff to git or are you willing to go to dropbox, madduck? and if so, please give me an email [19:51:50] indiebio: you can share folders on dropbox publically [19:51:58] you just need to get a sharing URL [19:51:58] mad duck if I invite everyone with the group email that would work right? [19:52:05] tamo, the dropbox folders are all empty, will you add stuff later? [19:52:18] Yes!!!!! [19:52:33] tamo, how do you feel about these files being in a public folder on dropbox? [19:52:38] I have been a bit slow but getting my aact together [19:52:52] I almost want to say no to public, there's weird people out there who steal designs [19:52:55] I took a look at the bits indiebio added to git this week, really loving it! [19:53:02] yeah, me too! [19:53:10] I have a window from now until the 23rd July so can start sending website concepts [19:53:15] but tamo is firm that that is not final! [19:53:20] GREAT!!! [19:53:21] yeah that logo in git is pretty nice [19:53:29] wanted me to take it off, but I didn't :P [19:53:45] (although I think the font could be a bit better just my opinion) [19:53:46] we're used to seeing works in progress, we're developers :) [19:54:03] Those are the revised versions of the logo, and have done one or two more buts as happy with how they are forming so glad that there is positive feedback [19:54:05] ok, so tamo, when you've put stuff in the folders we can chat more about it, yes? [19:54:09] I'm not with git, is there a web-accessible link, or a public-accessible repo to clone? [19:54:34] wendar great! [19:54:42] erm. superfly, ask madduck [19:54:48] oops not figuring out the tab thing [19:54:57] superfly: are you on alioth? [19:54:55] superfly: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/tree/Logo [19:55:03] highvoltage: negative [19:55:13] Yes definitely I would like to have stuff in by tomorrow [19:55:30] superfly: some day you'll have to sign up :) [19:55:38] can I move on to sponsor brochure while you sort out git, superfly? [19:55:40] superfly: let me know your alioth login and then I add you. [19:55:43] Which logo highvoltage [19:55:57] indiebio: carry on [19:56:11] madduck: uh, how do I get an alioth login? [19:55:59] tamo: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/tree/Logo/LOGO%27S_round_2_testa_23jun15.svgz [19:56:12] there are multiple logos on the page [19:56:17] 6. Sponsor Brochure [19:56:24] tibid: topic Sponsor Brochure [19:56:24] Current Topic: Sponsor Brochure [19:56:28] superfly: https://alioth.debian.org/account/register.php [19:56:33] ok there are 3 pages so was wondering which one you were looking at [19:56:34] ta [19:56:41] madduck, I'm a bit confused about what you still need done on the brochure. [19:57:08] you seem to sometimes have issues that need to be improved - perks in particular [19:57:22] but then whenever I try something you say that what has been done worked perfectly. so I'm confused [19:57:39] yeah, at some point in time the fundraising team will need to discuss this stuff [19:57:48] and if only to say "let's do the same thing again" [19:58:02] indiebio: mainly, we need to get design on the brochure [19:58:05] I just thought we should have done this already [19:58:13] madduck: but we *did* discuss that in sponsors-team [19:58:21] madduck: we had two meetings with them on it [19:58:26] hm [19:58:32] yes, so wendar, I feel that's the only thing left to do [19:58:37] wendar, indiebio: and the text probably needs to be dc16-ified, no? [19:58:44] madduck: already done [19:58:46] with small tweaks like spelling mistakes and correct years as we go along [19:59:13] I'm having trouble with git and the debian-sponsors folder. [19:59:28] madduck: it needs final review and fix, and it needs photos and design (color, backround) [19:59:36] ffs, I was looking at an old file. [19:59:40] SORRY [19:59:47] madduck: no prob :) [19:59:57] I also have trouble with finding the most up to date one... [20:00:08] can you tell me where it is and the filename, wendar, please? [20:00:27] (and can you please email it to me? ) [20:00:46] so this feels ok then. moving on? [20:00:47] indiebio: debconf-data/dc16/fundraising/brochure [20:00:58] brochure.en.tex [20:01:07] I can generate a fresh PDF for you [20:01:20] yes please [20:01:55] so for the next meeting, I'm going to move design and brochure to be the first items. [20:02:01] then, last item for this meeting: [20:02:02] 7. Prospective sponsors list [20:02:09] Perfect! [20:02:10] tumbleweed, is tibit getting this? [20:02:22] tibid: topic Prospective sponsors list [20:02:22] Current Topic: Prospective sponsors list [20:02:25] tibid: minutes so far [20:02:25] Minutes available at http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/tibid-meetings/oftc-%23debconf16-capetown-2015-06-24-19-06-14 [20:02:28] indiebio: ^^ [20:02:30] wendar, (and nkukard), any progress here? [20:02:35] thanks tumbleweed [20:03:08] indiebio: I haven't added any more to the list we have [20:03:16] ok [20:03:26] anything that needs to be done here apart from just adding more? [20:03:40] maybe plan a brainstorming session? [20:03:48] Can you talk us through the procedure if we want to add more? as each sponsor potential has their own file, yes? [20:04:11] indiebio: aye, just create a file, or if you just want to email me a list of names, that's a good start [20:04:18] (I'm happy to do formatting work) [20:04:22] is there a, e.g. .odt file with an overview? I think last time we spoke I requested that and someone saif that's doable? [20:04:36] what folder, file name etc? [20:04:45] indiebio: it's doable, not done yet (.odt file) [20:05:04] can you do that please? (just humour my noob ness please, I'll get there :) ) [20:05:26] debian-sponsors/dc16/sponsors-list [20:05:31] thanks [20:05:43] yes, I'll make a tool to build a spreadsheet overview [20:05:53] does that mean we're done? [20:05:56] excellent, that folder alreadty gives a high level overview [20:06:03] pretty much tumbleweed. [20:06:11] next meeting in a month or sooner? [20:06:16] tibid: topic next meeting [20:06:16] Current Topic: next meeting [20:06:42] 22 July? [20:06:52] that's a month before debconf [20:07:01] yes [20:07:06] we have to prepare a presentation for debconf [20:07:13] urgh. [20:07:15] which also means locking down some things, like dates [20:07:22] well, I guess we just present where we are [20:07:27] you may. and we did it at dc14 in 30 minutes ;) [20:07:32] OK, meeting 8 July, focus mainly on design, brochure, presentation [20:08:07] and 22 July for contracts, budget etc? [20:08:13]