Convened at 2010-04-13 14:39:18.036398 by marcog
in #algorithm on shadowfire
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<marcog>
tibid: start meeting about CS4HS
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* tibid
gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
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<marcog>
i see no reason why not to associate with Google
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<ShadowMaster>
I agree
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<bob>
marcog: I think most of us would agree.
[14:40:11]
<marcog>
it gives us credability
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<bob>
Also note that none of the projects mentioned have google in their names
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<tumbleweed>
what possible cons would there be?
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* tumbleweed
can't think of any
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<ShadowMaster>
unless you're running a search engine :P
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<bob>
So I'm not entirely convinced that they would neccesarily want to be explicitly named
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<marcog>
just to make it clear
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<marcog>
they will not be funding Algorithm Circle
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<marcog>
but rather event(s) we run
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<marcog>
specific ones that follow their criteria
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<marcog>
those can be named after them
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<tumbleweed>
(anyone phoned ben yet?)
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: yes, i did
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<bob>
OKay. marcog do you not think that this might require us to reapply for funding for each individual event.
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<Michiel>
marcog: as far as I can tell those are the ones where you teach the teachers
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<ShadowMaster>
bob we could apply for a series of events
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<gwylim>
what sort of events are these?
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<marcog>
bob, no we have to apply for everything we want to fall under this funding grant *now*
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: oh, that's different to what we thought?
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<marcog>
Michiel: no, that is just one of their criteria
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<bob>
okay well lets move onto the next topic of discussion then which is what will we actually want to fund
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: how so?
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<marcog>
bob wait a sec
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<tumbleweed>
I thought we were clear that they'd fund alg circle because you run these events
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<bob>
I know, I mean its related.
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<tumbleweed>
not funding per event
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<bob>
funding algorithm circle would make admin a lot easier...
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: it seems like you apply for a group of specific events run by an existing organisation that's already getting stuff done
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<marcog>
it can still be AC getting the funds and running it
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: ok, thanks for clarifying
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<marcog>
this is my understanding at least
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<marcog>
it's crucial that we get this spot on though
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<marcog>
General cs4hs info: CS4HS (Computer Science for High School) is a workshop sponsored by Google to promote Computer Science in high school curriculum. With a grant from Google's Education Group, colleges develop a 2 day program for local high school CS teachers that incorporates informational talks by industry leaders, and discussions on new and emerging CS curricula at the high school level.
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<marcog>
but then past EMEA events: http://www.google.com/educators/cs4hs/emea-cs4hs/2009-awardees.html
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<Michiel>
marcog: seems you are correct
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<bob>
marcog: it does seem that Google does different things in America and in the EMEA
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: look at the cs4fn one
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<tumbleweed>
they cover quite a few costs
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<tumbleweed>
but it dosent'say that they just fund the organisers, yes
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<tumbleweed>
so I think you're about right
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: ?
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<marcog>
cs4fn?
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<marcog>
oh there
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: past event
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<marcog>
yeah i see now
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<bob>
Yes, cs4fn does seem very similar to what we do
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<marcog>
ok, so we have to decide *what* type of event we can get them to cover
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<bob>
So onto next topic?
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<marcog>
this is a rough idea i have been thinking of: http://ietherpad.com/LxJbKUhmt9
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<Sigh>
yo oy yo
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<marcog>
to summarise
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<Sigh>
You said 5?
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<marcog>
hey Sigh
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<marcog>
Sigh: read email, it was changed last minute thanks to ShadowMaster
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<bob>
Sorry Sigh, we had to start early cause of tests. But get the minutes from tibid
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<marcog>
anyways, to summarise
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<marcog>
with the python course, we've been trying to gradually expand to other cities in SA
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<tumbleweed>
tibid: minutes so far
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<tibid>
Minutes available at http://holst.cs.uct.ac.za/~stefanor/tibid-logs/meetings/shadowfire-%23algorithm-2010-04-13-14-39-18
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<marcog>
if we bring in teachers to UCT
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<marcog>
we teach them how to run the course
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<marcog>
then we run the course cross-country later in the year
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<marcog>
and have a crap-load of people coming to UCT
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<marcog>
we can hire PC's and use sports center
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<bob>
marcog: where will we bring the teachers in from?
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<marcog>
and then even possibly link in a competition at the end
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<marcog>
to link all the locations together
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<marcog>
bob: all across the country
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<marcog>
we fly them in
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<ShadowMaster>
marcog: though this is terribly close to the saco
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<bob>
marcog: so how many teachers and how do you choose them?
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<ShadowMaster>
or atleast the style of contest I'm seeing
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<bob>
ShadowMaster: except that you teach them how to program during the course
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<marcog>
ShadowMaster: no
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<kieren>
/msg tibid hi
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<bob>
whereas SACO requires you to know beforehand
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<marcog>
bob: that has to be decided
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<ShadowMaster>
yeah
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<marcog>
we have to budget how much it would cost per teacher
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<marcog>
and work out how we will get teachers
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<Sigh>
That kind of budgetting is near impossible.
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<marcog>
that is all part of the proposal
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<tumbleweed>
is there any point in running a competition if you've just taught them how to program? (does it really give any benefit?)
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: you make it really simple
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<ShadowMaster>
also we need to think of how we can make this is a continuous process if we lose google funding after the first year
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: that's not my question
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<tumbleweed>
would they gain anything?
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: they would get a sense of how well they did compared to the rest
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<marcog>
think of it like any exam at the end of a course
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<tumbleweed>
ShadowMaster: as the funding google could offer is so much more than could be scrounged locally, chances are what you do without this funding will be very different
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<ShadowMaster>
tumbleweed: yes
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<marcog>
Sigh: please expand?
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<Sigh>
Like.
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<Sigh>
This is the first time you are doing an event.
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<Hamdulay>
marcog: wouldn't an actual exam be better?
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: ok, I'm just worried that AlgCircle is so geared to competitions that you see everything as a nail
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<Sigh>
Working out a complex budget per teacher is just disasterous.
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<marcog>
Hamdulay, tumbleweed: true true
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<marcog>
Sigh: doesn't have to be per teacher
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<tumbleweed>
Sigh: but you need to have a pretty good budget to attract this funding, yeah what marcog is saying
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<Sigh>
I know.
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<marcog>
Sigh: we estimate 2k per flight, 400 per night of accommodation, etc.
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<Sigh>
I'm just saying the budgeting-dude will have to be INSANE.
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<marcog>
we will def need to try wrap in some guys who've done this sort of funding proposal before
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<Sigh>
Yeah, thats what I am saying.
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<Sigh>
I knew 1 person who was very good at event planning.
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<Sigh>
Not sure if he still alive/around but I can check.
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<marcog>
tumbleweed, Hamdulay: although it doesn't have to follow competition-style like we currently do (i'm intending on manual marking of code anyways), we could possibly have a follow-on workshop for the top attendees
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<Sigh>
Urgh.
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<Sigh>
Ok, cancel that. He left the country.
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<Nomad010>
ok
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<marcog>
Sigh: :(
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<Sigh>
Gone to Ukraine
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<Sigh>
Of all goddam places.
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<marcog>
hehe
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<tumbleweed>
still, presumably we can find people who've done funding proposals before who can help
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<bob>
Yes marcog I agree, as I don't think Google would be AS keen on competitions as on courses
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<Sigh>
Yeah.
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<Sigh>
Competitions compete somewhat with them.
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<Nomad010>
ok
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<marcog>
it can be coined as an exam or whatever
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<bob>
However, I must point out...
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<marcog>
but still, we get their marks
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<dougx>
hello world
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<marcog>
we can have such a follow-up course for the top ones
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<tumbleweed>
on the whole, you want to be inclusive
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<tumbleweed>
but yes you want to get the top ones into algcircle :)
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<bob>
one of the requirements is "identify talent. help universities and, ultimately, employers identify and nurture talent at a young age."
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: that's not the primary aim
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: i want to take those who do well, and give them an incentive do do well
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<Nomad010>
free and open source
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<ShadowMaster>
Nomad010: we basically do this already
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<bob>
Yes, because nothing makes you work harder than prizes...
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: if we fly down say the top 30-40 we'll be making more of an impact across the country
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: true
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: that's a pretty cool incentive
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<marcog>
and perhaps try get some big dude such as shuttlewortjh to come give a talk at that
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<marcog>
make it *wow* i must do well
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<Nomad010>
guys
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<Sigh>
You should also try promote 1) Women and 2) Previously disadvantaged.
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<Nomad010>
it's 17:00
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<Sigh>
Google would like that.
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<Nomad010>
ok it's 17:01
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<Nomad010>
meeting
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<marcog>
Sigh: yes, we pretty much do 1) already
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<Sigh>
Just saying.
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<marcog>
Sigh: we had 50% girls at last course
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<Nomad010>
so wait are we discussing crap already
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<bob>
The other possibility in order to promote 2) is to award prizes that enable them
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<marcog>
we shoudl state this in proposal
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<bob>
such as netbooks
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<marcog>
bob: expensive
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<Sigh>
marcog: That's what I am saying.
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<marcog>
Sigh: kk
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<marcog>
ok, so i can i just take a step back here
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<marcog>
we could ramble on for ages here
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<Nomad010>
pl
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<Nomad010>
ok
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<Nomad010>
um guys
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<marcog>
does anyone not likle the general gist of my idea?
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<graham>
Nomad010: yes
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<Nomad010>
can you rewind to step one
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<bob>
marcog: yes I do, tibid vote?
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<ShadowMaster>
marcog: I like it
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<Michiel>
I do
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<marcog>
Nomad010: http://ietherpad.com/LxJbKUhmt9
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<marcog>
bob do or don't like?
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: can we go point by point?
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: on the proposed idea?
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<tumbleweed>
yeah
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<marcog>
sure
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<tumbleweed>
8: is that achievable?
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<marcog>
tricky
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<marcog>
i dunno
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<Hamdulay>
teaching people computer literacy is gonna be...dull
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<tumbleweed>
it's also out of your scope, isn't it?
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<Hamdulay>
do we really want to do that?
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<marcog>
anyoen want to keep that?
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<marcog>
or else we can just rm
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<Sigh>
No.
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<bob>
I must agree with Hamdulay.
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<dougx>
No
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<Sigh>
Computer literacy -> Go do a goddam ICT exam online.
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<tumbleweed>
heh
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<marcog>
it's gone
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<Sigh>
There is so many computer literacy courses.
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<Sigh>
*are
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<ShadowMaster>
cool
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<dougx>
Sigh: +1
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<Hamdulay>
isn't there licensing and stuff teachers have to go through to become IT teachers?
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<marcog>
ok, any other points to be raised about teach the teachers?
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<tumbleweed>
yeah
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<dougx>
Introduce them to Python not Delphi
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<graham>
Why would the teachers want to go on the course?
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<bob>
Yes marcog which teachers?
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<tumbleweed>
my thinking was that you'll teach more effectively if they are helpers in a course too. or is that being silly?
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<bob>
How do you choose them/they choose us?
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: i agree fully
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<Sigh>
Make sure they are either: 1) Keen to be there or 2) Youngish or 3) Maths teachers who are youngish.
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<bob>
dougx: yeah, I think the idea is to do this all in python
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<Michiel>
Hamdulay: i dont think so
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<marcog>
graham: we need incetives for them
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<tumbleweed>
Sigh: yeah, that gets tricky when there's effectivly a junket involved
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<bob>
marcog: I don't think so
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: you don't want too much incentive
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<marcog>
how do you attract teachers?
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<bob>
marcog: I think the incentive should be that they want to do it more than they want to get something out of it
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: i do agree
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<Nomad010>
marcog: where are we in the list?
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<Sigh>
tumbleweed: often if you speak to a school, they will just send any teacher.
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<ShadowMaster>
otherwise they might cheat to get in for the incentive
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<tumbleweed>
Sigh: yeah
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<marcog>
Nomad010: only about halfway through first part teaching teachers
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<Sigh>
marcog: Would you like any previously disadvantaged teachers from KZN?
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<Nomad010>
ok
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<bob>
Believe it or not but some teachers genuinely want to help students learn...
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<marcog>
Sigh: i think so
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<Sigh>
Our old school had a "vula" outreach program for teachers and students.
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<ShadowMaster>
Sigh: if they're computer literate yes
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<marcog>
how many teachers would actually want to come?
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<Sigh>
They basically did computer literacy courses
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<Sigh>
Like, whole year round.
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<tumbleweed>
re 9: how many computer literate teachers can't get their hands on computers?
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<Sigh>
Did projects, etc.
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<bob>
Guys we're getting bogged down again
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<ShadowMaster>
yar I have to leave in 10 :(
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<Sigh>
Bob, I think my question is valid.
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<Sigh>
:/
[15:09:25]
<Sigh>
Oh, times.
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<marcog>
bob there's a lot to get through
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: good point, i don't know
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<marcog>
can i make a suggestion
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: I think that could be out of scopee, too. Although obviously you'd help anyone who asked
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<bob>
I think what we need to do is actually talk to some teachers? Yes/no?
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<ShadowMaster>
bob yes
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<marcog>
can we rather ask everyone to add their comments/suggestions to the etherpad
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<tumbleweed>
bob: tough to find the right ones to talk to, but yes
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<marcog>
and then we move onto the rest of the agenda
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: cool
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<bob>
good idea
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<marcog>
otherwise we could be here forever
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<Nomad010>
so can i just add one thing
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<marcog>
and then along that line
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* dougx
is a teacher, I could talk to some teachers around the country and find out
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<Nomad010>
reddam private schools are lazy buggers
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<marcog>
if anyone has any other ideas, please write them up
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<marcog>
and send them in
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<Nomad010>
we need to give them an incentive
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<marcog>
bob: can you make a mailing list for this?
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<Sigh>
dougx: where you located?
[15:11:46]
<marcog>
Nomad010: that's what i was trying to say
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<bob>
Will do.
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<dougx>
Sigh: jhb
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<marcog>
dougx: could you rope in some teachers? ;)
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<Nomad010>
so i dunno, but it may be useful approaching via maths teachers as well as it teachers
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<dougx>
marcog: sure!
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<Nomad010>
ok end of my point
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<marcog>
Nomad010: yes, i like doing that
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<Sigh>
Marco, surely we have the R2 mailing list?
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<Sigh>
To teachers.
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<marcog>
Sigh: ya, but approaching teachers directly helps
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<marcog>
makes them feel "special" :P
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<Sigh>
Yeah.
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<bob>
marcog: I can also try talking to Mr. Brock, he's at WCED now
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<marcog>
ok so this is related
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<marcog>
bob yes definitely
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<Sigh>
I mean, get from peter the emails that the teachers reply
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<marcog>
next point
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<marcog>
is working with other universities
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<Sigh>
(with the r2 scores)
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<marcog>
Sigh: yes
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<Sigh>
UKZN is useless.
[15:13:45]
<Sigh>
I have tried to make contact with all their maths dudes.
[15:13:52]
<Sigh>
Just don't reply to emails.
[15:13:59]
<marcog>
i think we should work totgether with stellenbosch and run a joint thing at UCT
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<marcog>
if we can hitre PC's we can get enough to work at one site
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<bob>
Unfortunately Steve isn't here at the moment
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<Sigh>
Why hire!?
[15:14:25]
<marcog>
i know
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<Sigh>
UCT has SO many pc's.
[15:14:34]
<Sigh>
It's actually a goddam joke.
[15:14:36]
<bob>
drubin: you know the guys who organised the OC?
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<Sigh>
If this is a conference/training course, don't mind splitting up some people.
[15:14:56]
<Sigh>
bob: OC is a joke.
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<marcog>
Sigh: non-science labs are difficult to get
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<Sigh>
Frag Lan: Really good at organising.
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<marcog>
Sigh: and they won't have what we require on them , and they will go ape-shit with us installing stuff
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<Sigh>
marcog: Scilab A, B, C, D, Senior Lab.
[15:15:31]
<marcog>
Sigh: we want bigger
[15:15:36]
<bob>
marcog: live flash drives
[15:15:36]
<Sigh>
How many pc's?
[15:15:45]
<marcog>
Sigh: i'm thinking 500+
[15:15:47]
<bob>
there's also an incentive :P free flash drive...
[15:15:49]
<Sigh>
If you really are serious about renting like 500 pc/s
[15:16:02]
<Sigh>
For how many days?
[15:16:15]
<Sigh>
dazzle calc 500 * 200 * 1
[15:16:16]
<marcog>
for the main workshop, iv'e proposed a week
[15:16:18]
<marcog>
5 days
[15:16:20]
<Sigh>
There goes your budget.
[15:16:26]
<Sigh>
tibid calc 500 * 200 * 5
[15:16:26]
<tibid>
Sigh: 500000
[15:16:37]
<Sigh>
You can pay that 1/2 bar.
[15:16:45]
<marcog>
first site i checked does 500 a pc a week
[15:16:48]
<graham>
ok. gtg. cheers
[15:16:52]
<marcog>
for a single pc
[15:16:56]
<Sigh>
tibid: calc 500 * 500
[15:16:56]
<tibid>
Sigh: 250000
[15:17:00]
<bob>
damn cheers graham
[15:17:01]
<Sigh>
1/4 bar.
[15:17:04]
<Sigh>
bye.
[15:17:06]
<marcog>
we can surely get a much better rate
[15:17:13]
<Sigh>
Even if you get at 50% off.
[15:17:17]
<Sigh>
Thats still 125 000
[15:17:23]
<Sigh>
Logistically that makes no sense.
[15:17:29]
<Sigh>
and it's not just the actual pc's marco.
[15:17:31]
<Sigh>
It's power.
[15:17:37]
<bob>
Yes, I agree with Sigh
[15:17:42]
<marcog>
tumbleweed: your thoughts?
[15:17:47]
<Sigh>
You can only run like 10 PC's per 15A db board.
[15:17:48]
<Nomad010>
so are we onto section "Teach the kids" yet
[15:17:50]
<ShadowMaster>
ok I should go too
[15:17:54]
<bob>
it would be better to use the infrastructure that we already have
[15:17:57]
<Sigh>
I've been hosting lans for AGES.
[15:18:00]
<Sigh>
Power, networking
[15:18:03]
<Sigh>
huge problems.
[15:18:05]
<bob>
during the holidays, are any of the labs being used?
[15:18:10]
<Nomad010>
bob: yes
[15:18:15]
<Sigh>
Some are.
[15:18:18]
<marcog>
Sigh: i spoke to hussien, he says they can sort it out for us
[15:18:28]
<Sigh>
Hussein is being retarded.
[15:18:39]
<Sigh>
It costs Frag like 120k
[15:18:45]
<Sigh>
Just to do power and networking for a 500 man event.
[15:18:50]
<Sigh>
They have one every december.
[15:18:52]
<dougx>
guys I think hiring thing is just too expensive if you can book 3 uct labs that should be enough?
[15:18:54]
<Nomad010>
Sigh: 120k
[15:18:55]
<bob>
we still need to get to like who's going to write this proposal and stuff.
[15:18:55]
<Sigh>
And that is RAW cost.
[15:19:00]
<Nomad010>
not a chance
[15:19:14]
<Sigh>
Nomad010: I read the audit report.
[15:19:17]
<Sigh>
For frag.
[15:19:17]
<Nomad010>
pl
[15:19:18]
<Nomad010>
ok
[15:19:22]
<Nomad010>
enough of this
[15:19:32]
<marcog>
bob yes i agree
[15:19:44]
<Sigh>
Just note in the minutes that logistics need to be discussed.
[15:19:48]
<Nomad010>
so i have two problems with section "teach the kids"
[15:19:52]
<marcog>
we need 2 people at minimum to dedicate time to this
[15:20:10]
<marcog>
Nomad010|Masters: write them on the pad
[15:20:18]
<bob>
so we were still discussing collaboration with other universities...
[15:20:26]
<Nomad010>
marcog: 1 of them is a question
[15:20:33]
<marcog>
Nomad010: ya?
[15:20:34]
<Nomad010>
is this for this year?
[15:20:38]
<marcog>
no
[15:20:40]
<Nomad010>
ok
[15:20:47]
<Nomad010>
cos the dates are like soccer'ed
[15:20:49]
<bob>
Are there enough universities out there with motivated people? And how do we get in contact with those motivated people?
[15:20:57]
<marcog>
ya Nomad010
[15:21:24]
<marcog>
bob we have to talk around on mailing lists and irc channels be proactive ask people
[15:21:38]
<tumbleweed>
marcog: sorry, had to run afk will read scrollback in a few minutes
[15:21:51]
<bob>
yes. okay.
[15:22:04]
<marcog>
we need people who are going to seriously take this forward
[15:22:08]
<Nomad010>
ok
[15:22:09]
<marcog>
who is going to do this?
[15:22:12]
<Nomad010>
ni
[15:22:13]
<Nomad010>
no
[15:22:20]
<marcog>
thanks Nomad010
[15:22:22]
<Nomad010>
they have both left already
[15:22:22]
<marcog>
one more?
[15:22:30]
<bob>
I will
[15:22:31]
<Sigh>
I don't mind helping with the actual event.
[15:22:31]
<Nomad010>
i said no
[15:22:44]
<Michiel>
dont mind with the event'
[15:22:49]
<Sigh>
Setting up rooms, projectors, etc.
[15:22:51]
<marcog>
Sigh: we need people to help now with proposal and shit
[15:22:53]
<Nomad010>
i can help with the event
[15:22:56]
<Michiel>
cant be dedicated though or ill fail
[15:22:59]
<marcog>
that is crucial
[15:23:01]
<Nomad010>
i am bogged down with masters crap
[15:23:02]
<Sigh>
But I generally avoid buerocratic bullshit.
[15:23:17]
<Sigh>
I am bogged down with non-academic things :)
[15:23:18]
<Nomad010>
Sigh: you generally avoid a lot
[15:23:21]
<bob>
Sigh: wise man
[15:23:26]
<dougx>
I can fly down to CT for the event (if gauteng is retarded)
[15:23:40]
<bob>
anyways I'll be willing to do the proposal and stuff
[15:23:43]
<Sigh>
I avoid lectures :)
[15:23:45]
<Nomad010>
lol
[15:23:49]
<dougx>
lol
[15:23:53]
<marcog>
dougx: we wanna try nationalise this, so would prefer it if you could stay in jhb :P
[15:24:03]
<Sigh>
K, can we hustle this? I have a certain lady friend to visit :)
[15:24:12]
<marcog>
bob: we need minimum one more dedicated person on this
[15:24:23]
<Nomad010>
i also wanna see the sun blotted out from the sky
[15:24:23]
<marcog>
otherwise this just won't happen
[15:24:25]
<dougx>
marcog: then we must use "in your face" advertising or invitation to get people involved
[15:24:34]
<Nomad010>
marcog: shadowmaster and graham have left
[15:24:36]
<Nomad010>
ask them
[15:25:04]
<marcog>
they have 0 experience with this stuff
[15:25:16]
<Nomad010>
i don't think either of us have
[15:25:18]
<Nomad010>
*any
[15:25:36]
<bob>
The only experience comes from December camp and Python course
[15:25:38]
<marcog>
well we need to get someone then
[15:25:40]
<Sigh>
Ok.
[15:25:41]
<bob>
who was involved in December camp?
[15:25:44]
<Sigh>
Fml, cancelled.
[15:25:56]
<marcog>
bob i pretty much did 95% of the organising myself
[15:26:05]
<dougx>
bad
[15:26:22]
<dougx>
marcog really needs some help, people
[15:26:35]
<bob>
dougx: marcog is leaving
[15:26:40]
<Nomad010>
marcog: when will this be happening
[15:26:41]
<bob>
thats the problem :P
[15:26:42]
<marcog>
dougx: i can't step myself in this time, i have a thesis to finish
[15:26:58]
<bob>
what time frame are we looking at?
[15:27:00]
<marcog>
Nomad010: that's part of the proposal we need to work on but some time next year
[15:27:09]
<bob>
We need to do the proposals and stuff now now now
[15:27:14]
<marcog>
yes
[15:27:23]
<marcog>
i can't emphasies that enough
[15:27:41]
<marcog>
like you need a solid draft of a plan by the end of the week
[15:27:41]
<Nomad010>
i have a ton of other crap to do now now now
[15:27:45]
<dougx>
any proposal template online?
[15:27:48]
<Nomad010>
omg
[15:27:51]
<marcog>
send it around to uct staff, steve, dougx , etc
[15:28:11]
<Michiel>
marcog: cant we perhaps look at Peter getting involved?
[15:28:12]
<Nomad010>
marcog: what does this person need to do
[15:28:06]
<marcog>
dougx: my idea http://ietherpad.com/LxJbKUhmt9
[15:28:16]
<bob>
is pretty much a proposal
[15:28:26]
<Nomad010>
bob: just the proposal
[15:28:28]
<Nomad010>
?
[15:28:34]
<marcog>
Michiel: i'd really prefer not to
[15:28:38]
<bob>
marcog: if we getst funding would we organise secretary?
[15:28:43]
<marcog>
Michiel: there are other people out there
[15:28:51]
<Michiel>
he has the experience...
[15:28:54]
<Nomad010>
bob:
[15:28:57]
<marcog>
bob: we can budget it and see
[15:29:12]
<marcog>
Michiel: he also has his own way of doing things
[15:29:15]
<Nomad010>
if it is just the proposal then i am willing to help out
[15:29:16]
<Michiel>
true
[15:29:28]
<marcog>
Michiel: and honestly, he's not *that* great at what he does
[15:29:34]
<marcog>
Michiel: there are better people
[15:29:36]
<Nomad010>
get donald
[15:29:37]
<bob>
Cool Nomad010.
[15:30:00]
<marcog>
Nomad010: i'd honestly agree with that idea
[15:30:33]
<marcog>
also i'd like to point out for proposal: we have michelle, james, gary, hussein and steve that can help
[15:30:36]
<marcog>
who have experience
[15:30:36]
<bob>
Hmm... I don't really know donald that well. Who would approach him?
[15:30:52]
<Nomad010>
james will be away until next week
[15:30:55]
<marcog>
bob i can put you in contact with him
[15:30:58]
<Nomad010>
bob: ok i'll help on the proposal
[15:31:12]
<bob>
Sigh: you know donald pretty well don't you?
[15:31:19]
<Nomad010>
bob: nice
[15:31:21]
<marcog>
Nomad010: thanks
[15:31:56]
<Nomad010>
i hate all you humans
[15:31:59]
<Nomad010>
btw
[15:32:05]
<Sigh>
If you mean 'does he molest me'
[15:32:06]
<Sigh>
then no.
[15:32:08]
<Sigh>
;p
[15:32:13]
<marcog>
bob: can you write up a summary of what we discussed now
[15:32:17]
<bob>
okay so now I want to know, is this proposal only going to be for this one huge course thingy
[15:32:22]
<marcog>
and what needs to be done *now*
[15:32:29]
<Sigh>
I know him pretty much as well as any other SACO coach.
[15:32:37]
<marcog>
bob: that needs to be worked on
[15:32:45]
<marcog>
people need to pass around ideas
[15:33:05]
<bob>
we're not going to ask them for funding for anything else like pizzas at competitions or video cameras or anything?
[15:33:12]
<marcog>
no
[15:33:18]
<Sigh>
Go for the big pot.
[15:33:26]
<Sigh>
After that, they might be like
[15:33:29]
<Sigh>
"here, have a camera"
[15:33:41]
<marcog>
is this possible...
[15:33:43]
<bob>
okay good idea. We need to do this so well...
[15:33:55]
<marcog>
we ask them for equipment for the event
[15:33:58]
<marcog>
and instead of hiring
[15:34:03]
<marcog>
we buy it for permanent use?
[15:34:09]
<marcog>
or bad idea?
[15:34:16]
<dougx>
marcog: good idea
[15:34:32]
<dougx>
but who's gonna be responsible for storing it and stuff
[15:34:43]
<Nomad010>
bob: if you need to contact me urgently then email me rather irc
[15:34:49]
<marcog>
uct societies get a locker
[15:34:49]
<bob>
But what do we do with it afterwards???
[15:34:51]
<Nomad010>
i'll probably get it faster
[15:34:55]
<bob>
Nomad010noted
[15:35:23]
<marcog>
bob, try rope graham into this as well
[15:35:35]
<bob>
marcog: I'm not so sure about that idea...
[15:35:37]
<marcog>
ShadowMaster: is rather busy
[15:35:42]
<marcog>
bob why?
[15:35:49]
<bob>
yeah graham is pretty good at this stuff
[15:36:10]
<bob>
computers are expensive and what do we do with them after the event?
[15:36:14]
<marcog>
and bob, also try get hayley after wed
[15:36:21]
<marcog>
no not that equipment
[15:36:26]
<marcog>
i mean like cameras and shit
[15:36:32]
<tumbleweed>
.
[15:36:43]
<marcog>
tumbleweed: ?
[15:36:49]
* tumbleweed
is back
[15:36:51]
<bob>
oh right
[15:36:56]
<bob>
yes good idea
[15:36:58]
<marcog>
tumbleweed: wb
[15:37:32]
<marcog>
tumbleweed: would you be keen to aid in getting the proposal out?
[15:37:41]
<marcog>
since you have a lot of technical expertise
[15:38:35]
<tumbleweed>
marcog: I can help
[15:38:48]
<marcog>
thanks
[15:39:08]
<bob>
thanks tumbleweed.
[15:40:35]
<bob>
meeting adjorned?
[15:40:50]
<Nomad010>
adjourned
[15:40:52]
<marcog>
so, we have bob and nomad010 in charge; tumbleweed and maybe hayley helping; and then try also get graham
[15:40:59]
<Nomad010>
for the proposal
[15:41:01]
<marcog>
tibid: end meeting