{
  "attendees": {
    "tumbleweed": null, 
    "gwylim": null, 
    "Sigh": null, 
    "ShadowMaster": null, 
    "Nomad010": null, 
    "marcog": null, 
    "Michiel": null, 
    "kieren": null, 
    "dougx": null, 
    "bob": null, 
    "graham": null, 
    "Hamdulay": null
  }, 
  "log": [
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tibid: start meeting about CS4HS", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:39:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:39:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "i see no reason why not to associate with Google", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:39:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "I agree", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:39:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: I think most of us would agree.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:39:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "it gives us credability", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:40:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Also note that none of the projects mentioned have google in their names", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:40:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "what possible cons would there be?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:40:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "can't think of any", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:40:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "unless you're running a search engine :P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:40:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "So I'm not entirely convinced that they would neccesarily want to be explicitly named", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:40:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "just to make it clear", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "they will not be funding Algorithm Circle", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "but rather event(s) we run", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "specific ones that follow their criteria", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "those can be named after them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "(anyone phoned ben yet?)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: yes, i did", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "OKay. marcog do you not think that this might require us to reapply for funding for each individual event.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "marcog: as far as I can tell those are the ones where you teach the teachers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:41:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "bob we could apply for a series of events ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:42:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "gwylim", 
      "message": "what sort of events are these?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:42:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob, no we have to apply for everything we want to fall under this funding grant *now*", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:42:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: oh, that's different to what we thought?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:42:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Michiel: no, that is just one of their criteria", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:42:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "okay well lets move onto the next topic of discussion then which is what will we actually want to fund", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:42:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: how so?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:42:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob wait a sec", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:43:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "I thought we were clear that they'd fund alg circle because you run these events", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:43:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "I know, I mean its related.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:43:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "not funding per event", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:43:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "funding algorithm circle would make admin a lot easier...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:43:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: it seems like you apply for a group of specific events run by an existing organisation that's already getting stuff done", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:43:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "it can still be AC getting the funds and running it", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:44:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: ok, thanks for clarifying", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:44:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "this is my understanding at least", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:44:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "it's crucial that we get this spot on though", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:44:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "General cs4hs info: CS4HS (Computer Science for High School) is a workshop sponsored by Google to promote Computer Science in high school curriculum. With a grant from Google's Education Group, colleges develop a 2 day program for local high school CS teachers that incorporates informational talks by industry leaders, and discussions on new and emerging CS curricula at the high school level.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:45:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "but then past EMEA events: http://www.google.com/educators/cs4hs/emea-cs4hs/2009-awardees.html", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:45:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "marcog: seems you are correct", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: it does seem that Google does different things in America and in the EMEA", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: look at the cs4fn one", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "they cover quite a few costs", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but it dosent'say that they just fund the organisers, yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "so I think you're about right", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: ?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "cs4fn?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "oh there", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:46:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: past event", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:47:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "yeah i see now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:47:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Yes, cs4fn does seem very similar to what we do", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:47:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "ok, so we have to decide *what* type of event we can get them to cover", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:47:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "So onto next topic?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:47:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "this is a rough idea i have been thinking of: http://ietherpad.com/LxJbKUhmt9", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:47:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "yo oy yo", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:47:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "to summarise", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "You said 5?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "hey Sigh ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: read email, it was changed last minute thanks to ShadowMaster ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Sorry Sigh, we had to start early cause of tests. But get the minutes from tibid", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "anyways, to summarise", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "with the python course, we've been trying to gradually expand to other cities in SA", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "tibid: minutes so far", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Minutes available at http://holst.cs.uct.ac.za/~stefanor/tibid-logs/meetings/shadowfire-%23algorithm-2010-04-13-14-39-18", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "if we bring in teachers to UCT", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:48:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we teach them how to run the course", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:49:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "then we run the course cross-country later in the year", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:49:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and have a crap-load of people coming to UCT", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:49:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we can hire PC's and use sports center", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:49:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: where will we bring the teachers in from?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:49:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and then even possibly link in a competition at the end", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:50:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "to link all the locations together", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:50:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: all across the country", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:50:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we fly them in", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:50:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "marcog: though this is terribly close to the saco", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: so how many teachers and how do you choose them?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "or atleast the style of contest I'm seeing", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "ShadowMaster: except that you teach them how to program during the course", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "ShadowMaster: no", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "kieren", 
      "message": " /msg tibid hi", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "whereas SACO requires you to know beforehand", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: that has to be decided", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "yeah ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:51:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we have to budget how much it would cost per teacher", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and work out how we will get teachers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "That kind of budgetting is near impossible.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "that is all part of the proposal", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "is there any point in running a competition if you've just taught them how to program? (does it really give any benefit?)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: you make it really simple", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "also we need to think of how we can make this is a continuous process if we lose google funding after the first year", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: that's not my question", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "would they gain anything?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:52:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: they would get a sense of how well they did compared to the rest", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:53:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "think of it like any exam at the end of a course", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:53:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "ShadowMaster: as the funding google could offer is so much more than could be scrounged locally, chances are what you do without this funding will be very different", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:53:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:53:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: please expand?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:53:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Like.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:53:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "This is the first time you are doing an event.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:54:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hamdulay", 
      "message": "marcog: wouldn't an actual exam be better?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:54:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: ok, I'm just worried that AlgCircle is so geared to competitions that you see everything as a nail", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:54:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Working out a complex budget per teacher is just disasterous.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:54:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Hamdulay, tumbleweed: true true", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:54:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: doesn't have to be per teacher", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:54:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "Sigh: but you need to have a pretty good budget to attract this funding, yeah what marcog is saying", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:54:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I know.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:55:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: we estimate 2k per flight, 400 per night of accommodation, etc.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:55:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I'm just saying the budgeting-dude will have to be INSANE.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:55:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we will def need to try wrap in some guys who've done this sort of funding proposal before", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:55:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Yeah, thats what I am saying.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:56:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I knew 1 person who was very good at event planning.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:56:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Not sure if he still alive/around but I can check.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:56:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed, Hamdulay: although it doesn't have to follow competition-style like we currently do (i'm intending on manual marking of code anyways), we could possibly have a follow-on workshop for the top attendees", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Urgh.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Ok, cancel that. He left the country.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: :(", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Gone to Ukraine", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Of all goddam places.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "hehe", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:57:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "still, presumably we can find people who've done funding proposals before who can help", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Yes marcog I agree, as I don't think Google would be AS keen on competitions as on courses", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Yeah.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Competitions compete somewhat with them.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "it can be coined as an exam or whatever", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "However, I must point out...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "but still, we get their marks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:58:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "hello world", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we can have such a follow-up course for the top ones", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "on the whole, you want to be inclusive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "but yes you want to get the top ones into algcircle :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "one of the requirements is \"identify talent.\thelp universities and, ultimately, employers identify and nurture talent at a young age.\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: that's not the primary aim", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: i want to take those who do well, and give them an incentive do do well", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "free and open source", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T14:59:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "Nomad010: we basically do this already", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:00:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Yes, because nothing makes you work harder than prizes...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:00:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: if we fly down say the top 30-40 we'll be making more of an impact across the country", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:00:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: true", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:00:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: that's a pretty cool incentive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:00:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and perhaps try get some big dude such as shuttlewortjh to come give a talk at that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:00:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "make it *wow* i must do well", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "guys", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "You should also try promote 1) Women and 2) Previously disadvantaged.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "it's 17:00", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Google would like that.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok it's 17:01", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "meeting", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: yes, we pretty much do 1) already", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Just saying.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: we had 50% girls at last course", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "so wait are we discussing crap already", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "The other possibility in order to promote 2) is to award prizes that enable them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we shoudl state this in proposal", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "such as netbooks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: expensive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:01:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "marcog: That's what I am saying.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: kk", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "ok, so i can i just take a step back here", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we could ramble on for ages here", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "pl", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "um guys", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "does anyone not likle the general gist of my idea?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "graham", 
      "message": "Nomad010: yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "can you rewind to step one", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:02:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: yes I do, tibid vote?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "marcog: I like it", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "I do", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: http://ietherpad.com/LxJbKUhmt9", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob do or don't like?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: can we go point by point?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: on the proposed idea?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "sure", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "8: is that achievable?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:03:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tricky", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "i dunno", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hamdulay", 
      "message": "teaching people computer literacy is gonna be...dull", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "it's also out of your scope, isn't it?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hamdulay", 
      "message": "do we really want to do that?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "anyoen want to keep that?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "or else we can just rm", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "No.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "I must agree with Hamdulay.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "No", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:04:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Computer literacy -> Go do a goddam ICT exam online.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "heh", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "it's gone", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "There is so many computer literacy courses.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "*are", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:27Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "cool", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "Sigh: +1", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Hamdulay", 
      "message": "isn't there licensing and stuff teachers have to go through to become IT teachers?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "ok, any other points to be raised about teach the teachers?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "Introduce them to Python not Delphi", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:05:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "graham", 
      "message": "Why would the teachers want to go on the course?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Yes marcog which teachers?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "my thinking was that you'll teach more effectively if they are helpers in a course too. or is that being silly?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "How do you choose them/they choose us?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: i agree fully", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Make sure they are either: 1) Keen to be there or 2) Youngish or 3) Maths teachers who are youngish.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "dougx: yeah, I think the idea is to do this all in python", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "Hamdulay: i dont think so", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "graham: we need incetives for them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:06:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "Sigh: yeah, that gets tricky when there's effectivly a junket involved", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: I don't think so", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: you don't want too much incentive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "how do you attract teachers?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: I think the incentive should be that they want to do it more than they want to get something out of it", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: i do agree", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "marcog: where are we in the list?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: often if you speak to a school, they will just send any teacher.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "otherwise they might cheat to get in for the incentive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:07:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "Sigh: yeah", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: only about halfway through first part teaching teachers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "marcog: Would you like any previously disadvantaged teachers from KZN?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Believe it or not but some teachers genuinely want to help students learn...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: i think so", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Our old school had a \"vula\" outreach program for teachers and students.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "Sigh: if they're computer literate yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "how many teachers would actually want to come?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "They basically did computer literacy courses", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Like, whole year round.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "re 9: how many computer literate teachers can't get their hands on computers?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Did projects, etc.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:08:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Guys we're getting bogged down again", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:09:07Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "yar  I have to leave in 10 :(", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:09:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Bob, I think my question is valid.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:09:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": ":/", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:09:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Oh, times.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:09:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob there's a lot to get through", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:09:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: good point, i don't know", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:09:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "can i make a suggestion", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:10:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: I think that could be out of scopee, too. Although obviously you'd help anyone who asked", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:10:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "I think what we need to do is actually talk to some teachers? Yes/no?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:10:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "bob yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:10:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "can we rather ask everyone to add their comments/suggestions to the etherpad", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:10:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "bob: tough to find the right ones to talk to, but yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:10:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and then we move onto the rest of the agenda", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:10:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: cool", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "good idea", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "otherwise we could be here forever", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "so can i just add one thing", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and then along that line", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "is a teacher, I could talk to some teachers around the country and find out", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "reddam private schools are lazy buggers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "if anyone has any other ideas, please write them up", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and send them in", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "we need to give them an incentive", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: can you make a mailing list for this?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "dougx: where you located?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: that's what i was trying to say", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:46Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Will do.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "Sigh: jhb", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:11:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "dougx: could you rope in some teachers? ;)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "so i dunno, but it may be useful approaching via maths teachers as well as it teachers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "marcog: sure!", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok end of my point", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: yes, i like doing that", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Marco, surely we have the R2 mailing list?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "To teachers.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: ya, but approaching teachers directly helps", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "makes them feel \"special\" :P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:12:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Yeah.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: I can also try talking to Mr. Brock, he's at WCED now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "ok so this is related", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob yes definitely", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I mean, get from peter the emails that the teachers reply", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "next point", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "is working with other universities", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "(with the r2 scores)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "UKZN is useless.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I have tried to make contact with all their maths dudes.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Just don't reply to emails.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "i think we should work totgether with stellenbosch and run a joint thing at UCT", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:13:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "if we can hitre PC's we can get enough to work at one site", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Unfortunately Steve isn't here at the moment", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Why hire!?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "i know", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "UCT has SO many pc's.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "It's actually a goddam joke.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "drubin: you know the guys who organised the OC?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "If this is a conference/training course, don't mind splitting up some people.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "bob: OC is a joke.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:14:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: non-science labs are difficult to get", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Frag Lan: Really good at organising.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: and they won't have what we require on them , and they will go ape-shit with us installing stuff", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "marcog: Scilab A, B, C, D, Senior Lab.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: we want bigger", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: live flash drives", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "How many pc's?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: i'm thinking 500+", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "there's also an incentive :P free flash drive...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "If you really are serious about renting like 500 pc/s", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:15:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "For how many days?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "dazzle calc 500 * 200 * 1", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "for the main workshop, iv'e proposed a week", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "5 days", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "There goes your budget.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "tibid calc 500 * 200 * 5", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Sigh: 500000", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "You can pay that 1/2 bar.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "first site i checked does 500 a pc a week", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "graham", 
      "message": "ok. gtg. cheers", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "for a single pc", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "tibid: calc 500 * 500", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tibid", 
      "message": "Sigh: 250000", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:16:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "damn cheers graham", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "1/4 bar.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "bye.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we can surely get a much better rate", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Even if you get at 50% off.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Thats still 125 000", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Logistically that makes no sense.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "and it's not just the actual pc's marco.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "It's power.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Yes, I agree with Sigh", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: your thoughts?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "You can only run like 10 PC's per 15A db board.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "so are we onto section \"Teach the kids\" yet", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "ShadowMaster", 
      "message": "ok I should go too ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "it would be better to use the infrastructure that we already have", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I've been hosting lans for AGES.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:17:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Power, networking", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "huge problems.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "during the holidays, are any of the labs being used?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "bob: yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Some are.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: i spoke to hussien, he says they can sort it out for us", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Hussein is being retarded.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "It costs Frag like 120k", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:39Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Just to do power and networking for a 500 man event.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "They have one every december.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:50Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "guys I think hiring thing is just too expensive if you can book 3 uct labs that should be enough?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "Sigh: 120k", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "we still need to get to like who's going to write this proposal and stuff.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "And that is RAW cost.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:18:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "not a chance", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Nomad010: I read the audit report.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "For frag.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "pl", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "enough of this", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob yes i agree", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Just note in the minutes that logistics need to be discussed.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "so i have two problems with section \"teach the kids\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we need 2 people at minimum to dedicate time to this", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:19:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010|Masters: write them on the pad", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "so we were still discussing collaboration with other universities...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "marcog: 1 of them is a question", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: ya?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "is this for this year?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "no", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "cos the dates are like soccer'ed", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:47Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Are there enough universities out there with motivated people? And how do we get in contact with those motivated people?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "ya Nomad010 ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:20:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob we have to talk around on mailing lists and irc channels be proactive ask people", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:21:24Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: sorry, had to run afk will read scrollback in a few minutes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:21:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "yes. okay.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:21:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we need people who are going to seriously take this forward", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ok", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "who is going to do this?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ni", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "no", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "thanks Nomad010 ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:20Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "they have both left already", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "one more?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "I will", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:30Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I don't mind helping with the actual event.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i said no", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:31Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "dont mind with the event'", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Setting up rooms, projectors, etc.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Sigh: we need people to help now with proposal and shit", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i can help with the event", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "cant be dedicated though or ill fail", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "that is crucial", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:22:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i am bogged down with masters crap", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:01Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "But I generally avoid buerocratic bullshit.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:02Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I am bogged down with non-academic things :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "Sigh: you generally avoid a lot", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Sigh: wise man", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "I can fly down to CT for the event (if gauteng is retarded)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "anyways I'll be willing to do the proposal and stuff", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I avoid lectures :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "lol", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "lol", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "dougx: we wanna try nationalise this, so would prefer it if you could stay in jhb :P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:23:53Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "K, can we hustle this? I have a certain lady friend to visit :)", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:24:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: we need minimum one more dedicated person on this", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:24:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i also wanna see the sun blotted out from the sky", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:24:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "otherwise this just won't happen", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:24:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "marcog: then we must use \"in your face\" advertising or invitation to get people involved", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:24:25Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "marcog: shadowmaster and graham have left", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:24:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "ask them", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:24:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "they have 0 experience with this stuff", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:04Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i don't think either of us have", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "*any", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "The only experience comes from December camp and Python course", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "well we need to get someone then", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Ok.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "who was involved in December camp?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Fml, cancelled.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:44Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob i pretty much did 95% of the organising myself", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:25:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "bad", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:26:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "marcog really needs some help, people", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:26:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "dougx: marcog is leaving", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:26:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "marcog: when will this be happening", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:26:40Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "thats the problem :P", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:26:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "dougx: i can't step myself in this time, i have a thesis to finish", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:26:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "what time frame are we looking at?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:26:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: that's part of the proposal we need to work on but some time next year", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "We need to do the proposals and stuff now now now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "yes", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "i can't emphasies that enough", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "like you need a solid draft of a plan by the end of the week", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i have a ton of other crap to do now now now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "any proposal template online?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "omg", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "send it around to uct staff, steve, dougx , etc", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:27:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "marcog: cant we perhaps look at Peter getting involved?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:11Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "marcog: what does this person need to do", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "dougx: my idea http://ietherpad.com/LxJbKUhmt9", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "is pretty much a proposal", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "bob: just the proposal", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Michiel: i'd really prefer not to", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: if we getst funding would we organise secretary?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:38Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Michiel: there are other people out there", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "he has the experience...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "bob: ", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:54Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: we can budget it and see", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:28:57Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Michiel: he also has his own way of doing things", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:29:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "if it is just the proposal then i am willing to help out", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:29:15Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Michiel", 
      "message": "true", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:29:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Michiel: and honestly, he's not *that* great at what he does", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:29:28Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Michiel: there are better people", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:29:34Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "get donald", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:29:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Cool Nomad010.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:29:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: i'd honestly agree with that idea", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:30:00Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "also i'd like to point out for proposal: we have michelle, james, gary, hussein and steve that can help", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:30:33Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "who have experience", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:30:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Hmm... I don't really know donald that well. Who would approach him?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:30:36Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "james will be away until next week", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:30:52Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob i can put you in contact with him", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:30:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "bob: ok i'll help on the proposal", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:30:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Sigh: you know donald pretty well don't you?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:31:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "bob: nice", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:31:19Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "Nomad010: thanks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:31:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i hate all you humans", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:31:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "btw", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:31:59Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "If you mean 'does he molest me'", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "then no.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:06Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": ";p", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: can you write up a summary of what we discussed now", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:13Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "okay so now I want to know, is this proposal only going to be for this one huge course thingy", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:17Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and what needs to be done *now*", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:22Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "I know him pretty much as well as any other SACO coach.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob: that needs to be worked on", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "people need to pass around ideas", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:32:45Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "we're not going to ask them for funding for anything else like pizzas at competitions or video cameras or anything?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:05Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "no", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:12Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "Go for the big pot.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:18Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "After that, they might be like", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Sigh", 
      "message": "\"here, have a camera\"", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:29Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "is this possible...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "okay good idea. We need to do this so well...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we ask them for equipment for the event", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and instead of hiring", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:33:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "we buy it for permanent use?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:03Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "or bad idea?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:09Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "marcog: good idea", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:16Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "dougx", 
      "message": "but who's gonna be responsible for storing it and stuff", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "bob: if you need to contact me urgently then email me rather irc", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "uct societies get a locker", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "But what do we do with it afterwards???", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "i'll probably get it faster", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "Nomad010noted", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:34:55Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob, try rope graham into this as well", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:35:23Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "marcog: I'm not so sure about that idea...", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:35:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "ShadowMaster: is rather busy", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:35:37Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "bob why?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:35:42Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "yeah graham is pretty good at this stuff", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:35:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "computers are expensive and what do we do with them after the event?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:10Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "and bob, also try get hayley after wed", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:14Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "no not that equipment", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:21Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "i mean like cameras and shit", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:26Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": ".", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: ?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:43Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "is back", 
      "type": "action", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:49Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "oh right", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:51Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "yes good idea", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:56Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: wb", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:36:58Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "tumbleweed: would you be keen to aid in getting the proposal out?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:37:32Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "since you have a lot of technical expertise", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:37:41Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "tumbleweed", 
      "message": "marcog: I can help", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:38:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "marcog", 
      "message": "thanks", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:38:48Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "thanks tumbleweed.", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:39:08Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "bob", 
      "message": "meeting adjorned?", 
      "type": "message", 
      "time": "2010-04-13T15:40:35Z"
    }, 
    {
      "nick": "Nomad010", 
      "message": "adjourned", 
      "type": "message", 
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