Convened at 2010-06-23 18:00:02.509457 by Michiel
in #algorithm on shadowfire
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<Michiel>
tibid: start meeting about August Python course
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* tibid
gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
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<Vaughan>
pahahaha
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<zy>
which is why I left irc open
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<Michiel>
Lol
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<Michiel>
Ok so we are having another course in August
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<Michiel>
agenda ^
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<Michiel>
http://ietherpad.com/vLKgwyP26w
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<Michiel>
for those who dont have it
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<Michiel>
Is everyone present?
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* marcog
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* ShadowMaster
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* Vaughan
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<ShadowMaster>
tibid I am Kosie
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<tibid>
ShadowMaster: Done
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* graham
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<Vaughan>
tibid I am Vaughan
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<tibid>
Vaughan: Done
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* UnUnOctium
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<Michiel>
HayleyM: ?
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<graham>
tibid: I am Graham
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<tibid>
graham: Done
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<zy>
tibid I am Henk
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<tibid>
zy: Done
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<marcog>
Michiel: hayley said she'd be a little late
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<Hamdulay>
tibid: I am Yaseen
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<tibid>
Hamdulay: Done
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<Michiel>
ok, First point is extending the duration of the course
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<Michiel>
i think adding an extra day would be stupid
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<HayleyM>
tibid I am Hayley
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<tibid>
HayleyM: Sure
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<zy>
I dont think its a good idea either
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<Vaughan>
Michiel: is it only one day atm?
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<ShadowMaster>
Michiel: we also have the problem that Friday is Mosque day
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<Michiel>
but we might as suggested start later and go on further on Sunday
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<zy>
ShadowMaster: but isnt that from 12 on friday?
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<Michiel>
ShadowMaster: every friday?
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<zy>
what time would we start?
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<BlaQ_PhoeniX>
1 PM on fridays
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<HayleyM>
what time on sunday would you start (if you wanted to avoid church?)
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<marcog>
ShadowMaster: we start after mosque
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<ShadowMaster>
marcog: good
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<marcog>
let me find the old schedule
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<Hamdulay>
mosque usually ends at like 1:30
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<zy>
last time we started at 4 iirc
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<Michiel>
yeh friday and saturday i dont care much about those are good
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<zy>
although there was stuff happening earlier that was not critical
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<Michiel>
sunday is the problem
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<marcog>
14:30 optional, 16:00 real start
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<marcog>
i think that went well enough
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<Michiel>
marcog: second that
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<marcog>
ended at 19:00
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<marcog>
so i think friday was perfect
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<marcog>
as was saturday, 9am-5pm
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<marcog>
sunday is the problem, we had 9am-1pm
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<graham>
surely people can go to church in the evening if they want?
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<ShadowMaster>
church is around 9ish
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<Michiel>
what if we hve 9am opt, 11 real?
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<HayleyM>
I would suggest 10.30 start on sunday
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<zy>
do we want to run later on sunday?
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<marcog>
Hamdulay: church
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<HayleyM>
Optional start at 9am
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<marcog>
*hayleyM ^
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<zy>
I am worried about the tutors that may have work to do over that weekend
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<HayleyM>
or offer an extra session for those who need more help from 9-11am
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<Michiel>
marcog: we get something minimal for the optional session
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<marcog>
zy: optional time would have few tutors
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<Michiel>
and what time do we propose ending? 14:00?
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<marcog>
just remember if we do sunday through lunch, that means more food
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<marcog>
we had 4 hours last time
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<zy>
optional during church sounds good to me
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<Vaughan>
i would be able to work on sunday
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<marcog>
11am-3pm then
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<zy>
the problem is when everyone's church service is finished
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<Michiel>
3pm means more food
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<graham>
as i say, surely they can just go at a different time?
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<marcog>
zy: good point, then 11:30?
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<HayleyM>
we normally have dance classes on sunday and the students all agreed to start by 11, church done by then
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<marcog>
or 12pm-4pm and then those who come for optional slot bring their own food?
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<zy>
graham makes a good point, most churches have evening services
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<marcog>
HayleyM: ah good
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<marcog>
so 11am-3pm then sounds good?
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<zy>
so 11 to 3 sounds good
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<Michiel>
yeah
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<Michiel>
agreed
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<HayleyM>
agree
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<marcog>
graham: very often there is only a morning mass
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<graham>
hmm ok
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<Michiel>
ok lets move on to dates
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<marcog>
graham: like the church i go to in sea point is only at 10am on sunday
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<zy>
although I know people attend both sometimes
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<Michiel>
27 is suggested
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<marcog>
Michiel: when you spoke to phil, was that the date we agreed on back then?
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<marcog>
zy: yep
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<Michiel>
phil or gerhard?
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<marcog>
phil re: maths dates
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<Michiel>
20-22 August was what i discussed with Gerhard
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<Michiel>
which is what i discussed with phile
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<zy>
I like the 27th except that there might be tests after that weekend
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<Michiel>
anyone have a problem with that?
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<Michiel>
20-22 is managabe
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<marcog>
20-22 might be better, if phil and gerhard agreed to it
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<Michiel>
Managable
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<zy>
no problem here
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<Michiel>
we dont want it too close to exams and tests either will stop us getting help
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<graham>
ShadowMaster and I have IOI
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<marcog>
graham: when is that?
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<Michiel>
graham: when is that>?
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<HayleyM>
sounds like a good plan, its 2 weeks before end of term
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<graham>
12-23 i think
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<marcog>
hmm, then we might want to hold it a week later
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<zy>
anyone have a problem with 27?
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<Michiel>
marcog: ill pull up that conversation with phile
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<Michiel>
i think there was a problem thinking back
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<marcog>
kk
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<marcog>
also asking him now
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<HayleyM>
Obviously I won't be there to help
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<marcog>
nor will i
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<tumbleweed>
tibid: I am Stefano Rivera
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<tibid>
tumbleweed: Done
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<marcog>
but i can do what i can from here
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<marcog>
tibid: I am Marco Gallotta
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<tibid>
marcog: Righto
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<Michiel>
im having trouble finding it
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<Michiel>
I am Michiel Baird
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<marcog>
Michiel: phil says what was on that date isn't important
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<marcog>
maths series
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<marcog>
so 27th unless any objections?
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<zy>
sounds good to me
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<Michiel>
ok agreed
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<Hamdulay>
agreed
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<ShadowMaster>
agreed
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<marcog>
Michiel: you need to check with gerhard asap then
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<marcog>
and CC hussein
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<marcog>
i'll get to the reason why when we get to the point
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<Michiel>
if we cant get 27th can we go 20th?
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<ShadowMaster>
tibid agreed 27th is date of august python course
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<tibid>
ShadowMaster: One learns a new thing every day
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<marcog>
Michiel: yup
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<ShadowMaster>
tibid forget agreed 27th
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<tibid>
ShadowMaster: Yessir
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<Michiel>
of Venues we are doing both labs
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<dougx>
sorry late
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<marcog>
Michiel: lab A+B plus 302+303
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<marcog>
hey dougx
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<Higure>
hmm I should be on ubuntu but too lazy to restart ^.^
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<dougx>
hey marcog
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<Higure>
hey ppl btw
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<marcog>
hey Higure
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<tumbleweed>
tibid: minutes so far
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<tibid>
Minutes available at http://holst.cs.uct.ac.za/~stefanor/tibid-logs/meetings/shadowfire-%23algorithm-2010-06-23-18-00-02
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<zy>
lab A = how many people? same for B?
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<Michiel>
Higure: meeting in progress
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<zy>
hi Higure
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<Michiel>
ok so 100 kids?
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<marcog>
zy: A = 88 PCs, B = about 30
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<marcog>
zy: but we want to test the split between labs for umonya
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<zy>
I was jsut interested in the capacity
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<marcog>
Michiel: i say select 115, with the aim of getting 110
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<Higure>
Michiel: i know just checked my gmail now
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<Higure>
zy: sup
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<Michiel>
marcog ok but if a pc fails?
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<marcog>
tibid: 88+30
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<tibid>
marcog: 118
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<HayleyM>
I wouldn't rely on all the PCs
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<marcog>
Michiel: invite 110 then? to be safe
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<marcog>
110 won't come
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<marcog>
we've seen this
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<zy>
there's usually 1 or 2 not working
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<marcog>
this leaves min 8 spare
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<Michiel>
agreed we also want some admin pcs
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<HayleyM>
I would say accept 110, get 105, leeway for tutors to use a few
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<zy>
haven't had many pcs in the lab fail
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<marcog>
HayleyM: yup, the aim is to get 100
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<Michiel>
im fine with that
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<Michiel>
objections?
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* Higure
reads minutes
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<zy>
wouldnt go less than 110
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<marcog>
we should be able to get the increase in tutors
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<marcog>
i think
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<tumbleweed>
ctpug people for a start
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<Michiel>
tibid: agreed Accept 110, to aim to get > 100
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<tibid>
Agreed: Accept 110, to aim to get > 100
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: you think they'd be keen?
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<HayleyM>
i know a few who didn't know they could tutor last time
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<tumbleweed>
marcog: I reckno you could get a couple of them
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<marcog>
k cool
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<Michiel>
tumbleweed: could you talk to them?
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<marcog>
HayleyM: we didn't advertise widely because we knew we had plenty
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<tumbleweed>
Michiel: sure, will do
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<Michiel>
tibid: agreed tumbleweed will talk to ctpug for tutors
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<tibid>
Agreed: tumbleweed will talk to ctpug for tutors
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<HayleyM>
yeah, but they are available, shouldn't be a problem, i think its lecturers we need to look at
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<marcog>
tumbleweed: just bump it through me, i'm managing tutors
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<Michiel>
tibid: agreed Michiel will book venues with Gerhard
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<tibid>
Agreed: Michiel will book venues with Gerhard
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<Michiel>
Next point is co-hosting
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<Higure>
Michiel: btw do you guys have enought tutors?
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<marcog>
Higure: we should be fine, but i'll send around a msg about that shortly
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<zy>
when we get to discussing tutors, discuss how many, how long we want each to tutor for?
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<Michiel>
Higure: we will get enough
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<marcog>
tibid: agreed marcog will send email about tutors
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<tibid>
Agreed: marcog will send email about tutors
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<Michiel>
ok Should we co-host for August?
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<marcog>
Michiel: personally i think we should focus on getting stellies people to help us
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<HayleyM>
did we skip the 'More practice time' point or now later in agenda?
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<marcog>
to test out that model
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<Michiel>
marcog: i agree
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<Hamdulay>
last time didn't go that great witht the co-hosting thing
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<marcog>
yeah
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<HayleyM>
marcog: I agree
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<Michiel>
HayleyM: i missed that thnk you
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<marcog>
get them used to working with us for umonya
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<bob>
sorry, I'm here now
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<zy>
if we co-host I think we will want to record video before the course
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<Michiel>
tibid: minutes so far
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<tibid>
Minutes available at http://holst.cs.uct.ac.za/~stefanor/tibid-logs/meetings/shadowfire-%23algorithm-2010-06-23-18-00-02
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<zy>
in case there is trouble with the streaming like last time
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<marcog>
zy: we have a full recording from feb
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<zy>
cool
[18:28:16]
<Michiel>
zy: i think we should skip the co-shost for this couse
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<marcog>
dougx: do you think the folks in jhb would be able to put something on?
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<marcog>
if we give them recordings of the feb course
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<zy>
I think we should try for at least 1 other venue
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<dougx>
nah, we'll have to ask at #ubuntu.za
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<marcog>
how about the dude from bloem?
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<dougx>
sixhourtennis: ?
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<marcog>
dougx: he'll be in CT afaik
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<marcog>
helping us i hope :P
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* dougx
will be away as well
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<marcog>
i know
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<marcog>
that's why i asked
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<dougx>
:-p
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<zy>
what about the suggestion of having a course in stellies the following weekend?
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<marcog>
that could work
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<marcog>
bob: when are stellies vacs?
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<Michiel>
i like that idea
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<bob>
End 18 July
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<marcog>
no next ones
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<bob>
I'll check when the next start
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<bob>
4-12 Sept
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<HayleyM>
that week is in the middle of stellenbosch exams
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<marcog>
bob: maybe check this with steve, see what he thinks about sending a few tutors to the CT course then us sending a few the following week for a stellies course?
[18:31:52]
<HayleyM>
i mean weekend
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<Michiel>
so we need to talk to steve about this
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<marcog>
hmm, then maybe after they come back from that sep vac
[18:32:35]
<Michiel>
who is in kzn>
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<bob>
It will be good for us to practice hosting at a different venue
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<marcog>
Michiel: they not ready just yet, bob still needs to liase with then
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<Michiel>
ok
[18:33:10]
<marcog>
and stellenbosch we can send people, kzn we can't atm
[18:33:18]
<Michiel>
true
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<Michiel>
i think we should postpone this point until we talk to steve?
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<zy>
so we'll need to discuss cohosting at stellenbosch at a later time then
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<marcog>
tibid: agreed bob to ask steve about stellies course a few weeks after uct course
[18:33:56]
<tibid>
Agreed: bob to ask steve about stellies course a few weeks after uct course
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<Michiel>
Next point sponsors
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<HayleyM>
UCT starts term again 13 Sept, maybe a course 17-19 Sept?
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<Michiel>
graham: this is where you comw ine
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<marcog>
HayleyM: we can discuss that after bob talks to steve
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<marcog>
Michiel: no this is you and bob
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<Michiel>
fuuu
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<marcog>
bob is handling sponsors
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<Michiel>
:P
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<marcog>
you need to give bob the stuff from last time
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<marcog>
and he's gonna handle it
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<marcog>
the proposals, etc.
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<Michiel>
who will we send to>
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<Michiel>
?
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<marcog>
for now, just BSG and S1
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<bob>
marco: I have the proposal that was in SVN
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<Michiel>
CHPC?
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<marcog>
ah ok
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<bob>
Marco, what about aims?
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<marcog>
Michiel: i'd axe them, they're too fail
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<marcog>
bob: interesting idea, you could try them
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<bob>
I know they were mentioned last time, but I can't remember what we decided about them.
[18:36:15]
<marcog>
that was about hosting it there
[18:36:17]
<bob>
Okay, I'll try.
[18:36:21]
<bob>
Ah yes.
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<Michiel>
do we know what google is saying about co-sponsors yet?
[18:36:48]
<marcog>
no response yet
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<bob>
Michiel: no reply yet
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<Michiel>
ok, if we can we should try do thi independently from that money
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<marcog>
47-47
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<Michiel>
WOW
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<marcog>
Michiel: yes, no ways we taking funds from umonya for this we have to draw the line
[18:37:49]
<Michiel>
I agree
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<Michiel>
tibid: Agreed umonya money will NOT be used for August course
[18:38:16]
<tibid>
Agreed: umonya money will NOT be used for August course
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* Higure
is tempted to tell tibid the money will be used for pizza
[18:38:47]
<marcog>
tibid: agreed bob to ask for sponsorship
[18:38:47]
<tibid>
Agreed: bob to ask for sponsorship
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<marcog>
Higure: umonya money will be
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<marcog>
:P
[18:39:08]
<Michiel>
Sponsors settled then can we backtract to practice time>
[18:39:11]
<marcog>
hey Taejo
[18:39:14]
<Michiel>
?
[18:39:16]
<marcog>
tibid: minutes so far
[18:39:16]
<tibid>
Minutes available at http://holst.cs.uct.ac.za/~stefanor/tibid-logs/meetings/shadowfire-%23algorithm-2010-06-23-18-00-02
[18:39:26]
<marcog>
Michiel: yup
[18:39:47]
<marcog>
HayleyM: your thoughts?
[18:39:59]
<Michiel>
i think the course should be restructured to allow for this, and keep those ahead interested
[18:40:11]
<Michiel>
this will be hard though
[18:40:23]
<zy>
Michiel: I agree on both points
[18:40:33]
<tumbleweed>
um, talking sponsors. we need to start locking into sponsors for the other courses RSN
[18:40:35]
<marcog>
i think practical session were awesome
[18:40:42]
<tumbleweed>
and some money will have to be spent in august, on AV
[18:40:56]
<HayleyM>
I think we should introduce a topic and demo a simplish example on the board
[18:40:58]
<marcog>
tumbleweed: RSN?
[18:40:59]
<bob>
tumbleweed: we don't need AV in august
[18:41:04]
<tumbleweed>
marcog: real soon now
[18:41:05]
<marcog>
bob we do
[18:41:11]
<HayleyM>
then allow everyone practice time to get each topic
[18:41:13]
<Michiel>
marcog: think we should add more of those?
[18:41:19]
<Nomad010>
gar
[18:41:25]
<marcog>
tumbleweed: ok, that is for bob but we;ll discuss in the umonya meeting which follows
[18:41:26]
<HayleyM>
those ahead can work on harder examples
[18:41:39]
<marcog>
Michiel: no, i think we had the right amount
[18:41:45]
<marcog>
but within lecture slots
[18:41:51]
<marcog>
we need to increase prac time
[18:41:59]
<marcog>
and not drag on into too much detail
[18:42:07]
<marcog>
and what HayleyM says
[18:42:07]
<Nomad010>
i see you are discussing some stuff
[18:42:08]
<bob>
True dat
[18:42:09]
<Michiel>
yeah i agree, however to do this we need to cut some content
[18:42:28]
<bob>
Michiel: we just don't need to delve into aas much detail
[18:42:39]
<marcog>
agreed with bob
[18:42:39]
<Michiel>
ok i hear you
[18:42:41]
<bob>
leave the extra stuff for people to read..
[18:43:14]
<Michiel>
so reading is a prerequisit now ?:P
[18:43:16]
<marcog>
tibid: minutes so far
[18:43:16]
<tibid>
Minutes available at http://holst.cs.uct.ac.za/~stefanor/tibid-logs/meetings/shadowfire-%23algorithm-2010-06-23-18-00-02
[18:43:19]
<marcog>
Nomad010: ^
[18:43:30]
<HayleyM>
The practical sessions means we have more of a sense of progression
[18:43:37]
<marcog>
yes
[18:43:41]
<Nomad010>
ok
[18:43:43]
<Michiel>
so everyone agreeing?
[18:43:48]
<HayleyM>
if the lectures cover too many topics some get lost in the examples
[18:43:50]
<marcog>
and the problems we used last time were great
[18:44:02]
<marcog>
for prac sessions
[18:44:19]
<bob>
Question: would it be a good idea to have a fairly complicated program, that we build upon the whole way through?
[18:44:23]
<marcog>
Michiel: we'll have to spond some time on this though
[18:44:29]
<HayleyM>
problems from last time were great, though some may need to be slightly less ambiguous
[18:44:35]
<Michiel>
bob: i dont think so
[18:44:44]
<marcog>
tibid: agreed problems from last time were great, though some may need to be slightly less ambiguous
[18:44:44]
<tibid>
Agreed: problems from last time were great, though some may need to be slightly less ambiguous
[18:44:47]
<Michiel>
if people get lost then they are screwed
[18:44:54]
<marcog>
Michiel: agreed
[18:44:57]
<bob>
Michieltrue.
[18:45:12]
<zy>
bob I think that works better when you can work through it at your own pace/use it as a reference
[18:45:21]
<Michiel>
moving along
[18:45:26]
<Michiel>
Food
[18:45:41]
<zy>
I have a c++ book that builds on an accounting program every chapter to show example code
[18:45:50]
<Michiel>
if we get sponsorship we should ask Bernie to help again she was great
[18:45:57]
<marcog>
Michiel: i think that's an easy one
[18:46:03]
<marcog>
bernie was perfect
[18:46:04]
<bob>
Someone was supposed to fiind out if any of the pizza places will offer reduced prices
[18:46:11]
<bob>
not neccessarily for this course
[18:46:16]
<marcog>
just give her more notice, that's all she asked for
[18:46:16]
<HayleyM>
This may be complicated to do but is it possible to build examples (thinking for Umonye) that are small problems that can be joined together by the final day - code reuse taught early
[18:46:36]
<marcog>
HayleyM: that sounds like a great idea
[18:46:37]
<bob>
HayleyM: Yeah, that could work
[18:46:46]
<Michiel>
agreed
[18:46:48]
<marcog>
bob: for umonya
[18:47:17]
<graham>
that sounds cool
[18:47:26]
<HayleyM>
oops, wrong spelling again
[18:47:27]
<bob>
Still, I think the pizza should be looked into sooner rather than later...
[18:47:33]
<Michiel>
bob: would you rather have pizza?
[18:47:43]
<zy>
HayleyM sounds like a good idea to me
[18:47:53]
<Michiel>
i think its too expensive tbh
[18:47:59]
<marcog>
bob: we'll leave that for the next meeting
[18:48:04]
<HayleyM>
Butlers offers deals if you organise ahead of time - they are in some cases even willing to sponsor the full cost
[18:48:21]
<bob>
-_- Lets not get into a pizza discussion. Lets say if you get R5k sponsorship, what else would we use it for?
[18:48:41]
<marcog>
we have 2 meals this time
[18:48:47]
<bob>
True
[18:48:49]
<HayleyM>
How much does that work out to each?
[18:48:52]
<marcog>
5k is barely enough to cover that
[18:48:57]
<Michiel>
bob postage, stationary
[18:49:07]
<Michiel>
small stuff adds up
[18:49:13]
<marcog>
tibid: (110+15)*2*20
[18:49:13]
<tibid>
marcog: 5000
[18:49:18]
<marcog>
HayleyM: ^ :P
[18:49:44]
<marcog>
i think last time we went for ~15 a person
[18:49:55]
<HayleyM>
ok, so low cost options then
[18:50:00]
<Michiel>
so i think we should say Bernie and reevaluate when we have money?
[18:50:34]
<marcog>
yup
[18:50:40]
<HayleyM>
yep
[18:50:53]
<marcog>
ask her for a quote then take it to the sponsors in the proposal
[18:51:08]
<bob>
Okay.
[18:51:17]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed Currently we will get Bernie to do the food, this could be reevaluated when we have money
[18:51:17]
<tibid>
Agreed: Currently we will get Bernie to do the food, this could be reevaluated when we have money
[18:51:41]
<Michiel>
Moving along
[18:51:56]
<HayleyM>
bob: send me a reminder email and i'll send you some food options - we cater a lot for dance functions
[18:52:06]
<bob>
Cool
[18:52:15]
<Michiel>
the toughest part of organising the course is working with the schools
[18:52:40]
<bob>
Yes. Did sending general letters to Schools work out last time?
[18:52:48]
<Michiel>
bob: yes
[18:52:56]
<bob>
Or did we only get responses from schools where we contacted the teachers directly?
[18:52:58]
<marcog>
we must do that earlier this time
[18:53:09]
<Michiel>
I agree, I cant do it from here
[18:53:13]
<marcog>
and we should also try calling some schools perhaps?
[18:53:21]
<Michiel>
seems only ShadowMaster and bob is able
[18:53:23]
<marcog>
maybe ask bernie?
[18:53:29]
<bob>
marco: trouble is in choosing which schools to call
[18:53:42]
<bob>
I mean it could be biased
[18:53:50]
<Michiel>
marcog: i think we should be careful in abusing her
[18:54:00]
<HayleyM>
if course is 27 August, what would the application deadline be?
[18:54:16]
<marcog>
Michiel: ask sonia, she will probably be happy to allow it
[18:54:22]
<Michiel>
15 days before?
[18:54:27]
<bob>
We also have the Comp-Studies mailing list now.
[18:54:52]
<Michiel>
bob: great idea
[18:54:55]
<bob>
Schools start around the 13th of July. So giving them a month from that date would be enough right?
[18:55:08]
<marcog>
HayleyM: we should announce 10 days before, so 12 days before sounds good
[18:55:09]
<zy>
mailing list sounds like a good idea
[18:55:22]
<marcog>
bob: we've always used that list though
[18:55:37]
<zy>
and if we get interest from there, maybe it will be useful for starting clubs at the schools?
[18:55:38]
<Michiel>
marcog: yes i like that
[18:55:43]
<marcog>
more important i believe is what i want to bring up
[18:55:50]
<bob>
Oh really? How about sending a poster to the schools that they can put up?
[18:55:59]
<HayleyM>
i think you should use the WCape schools list
[18:56:01]
<marcog>
prof webb has allwed us to send a slip in the maths digest package
[18:56:06]
<marcog>
which is sent to many schools
[18:56:15]
<marcog>
but that is being sent in 1 week
[18:56:31]
<HayleyM>
doesn't eSchools have those mailing lists divided by region?
[18:56:52]
<marcog>
if we want to do this, we need to design, print and get to webb within 1 week
[18:57:03]
<marcog>
HayleyM: we use the comp studies list already
[18:57:11]
<bob>
marcog: Okay... marcog: I'll do that
[18:57:14]
<marcog>
which is mostly WC
[18:57:20]
<bob>
Though, I can't do printing
[18:57:21]
<HayleyM>
ok
[18:57:28]
<marcog>
but Michiel, this is why we need dates urgent
[18:57:36]
<marcog>
date of course + deadline
[18:57:39]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed bob will design a poster for math digest
[18:57:39]
<tibid>
Agreed: bob will design a poster for math digest
[18:57:40]
<HayleyM>
maybe ask Bertus
[18:57:42]
<nine>
dougx: ?
[18:57:58]
<nine>
50 50!
[18:58:05]
<bob>
marcog: not Neccessarily. We can tell them to visit the website. But it would be better if we gave an indication of the dates.
[18:58:17]
<marcog>
yes date is better
[18:58:25]
<Michiel>
eveyone happy with 12 days before?
[18:58:29]
<dougx>
nine: wanted to find out if you'd be in jhb in august but I've already been told won't be
[18:58:45]
<HayleyM>
agreed on 12 days before
[18:58:47]
<nine>
dougx: yeah
[18:58:56]
<bob>
Yes. But will we have a dead-deadline or a soft deadline?
[18:59:18]
<marcog>
Michiel: make it the friday 2 weeks before, with announcement going out tuesday the week before?
[18:59:23]
<bob>
Last time I think I was still letting people in the day before :/ But only exceptional cases.
[18:59:31]
<marcog>
yes
[18:59:33]
<Michiel>
marcog: of
[18:59:40]
<Michiel>
ok
[19:00:27]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed Deadline for submissions 13 august, announcement 17 august
[19:00:27]
<tibid>
Agreed: Deadline for submissions 13 august, announcement 17 august
[19:00:37]
<bob>
If we print posters, sponsors might want there logos on them
[19:01:10]
<Michiel>
bob: they cant blame us if we send it out before we know who thy are
[19:01:14]
<marcog>
bob they usually don't care enough, so don't worry about that until we get sponsors
[19:01:18]
<Taejo>
isn't that pretty much the definition of sponsor?
[19:01:20]
<bob>
kk
[19:01:33]
<zy>
when we get sponsors we can worry about putitng their logos on stuff
[19:01:39]
<marcog>
Taejo: last time s1 sponsored the lunch => they gave a talk
[19:01:44]
<Taejo>
ok
[19:01:47]
<marcog>
and were mentioned in the article
[19:01:53]
<Taejo>
fair enough
[19:02:05]
<Michiel>
Ok so who will send out the intial invatations via email?
[19:02:30]
<bob>
he he...
[19:03:08]
<bob>
wow, it got quite all of a sudden...
[19:03:09]
<nine>
I think the score just overflowed on the winbledon site...
[19:03:10]
<Michiel>
I have the list so ill set one up again
[19:03:11]
<bob>
*quiet
[19:03:26]
<Michiel>
nine: score atm?
[19:03:34]
<marcog>
41-40
[19:03:54]
<bob>
I'll send whoever is sending the email a flier?
[19:03:57]
<Michiel>
when do you think that email should go out?
[19:04:13]
<bob>
Michiel: 3 days after term starts...
[19:04:15]
<Michiel>
as soon as we confirm the date?
[19:04:17]
<HayleyM>
week after school starts
[19:04:36]
<marcog>
schools start 13 july, send once when school starts another 1 week after
[19:04:47]
<marcog>
send postage 1 week before school starts
[19:04:52]
<nine_>
50 51 - I think, but it says 0 1
[19:04:57]
<graham>
lol
[19:05:08]
<marcog>
nine: you sure it's in the 50's?
[19:05:13]
<marcog>
i believe it's 40's
[19:05:18]
<Michiel>
tibid: Michiel will send email 19 July
[19:05:18]
<tibid>
Michiel: Excuse me?
[19:05:20]
<nine_>
marcog: 50's
[19:05:28]
<Michiel>
tibid:Agreed Michiel will send email 19 July
[19:05:28]
<tibid>
Agreed: Michiel will send email 19 July
[19:05:33]
<nine_>
they played 100 games
[19:05:38]
<marcog>
Michiel: no 21:04 <&marcog> schools start 13 july, send once when school starts another 1 week after
[19:05:38]
<nine_>
fiwrst time ever
[19:05:55]
<Michiel>
tibid:Agreed Michiel will send email 19 July, and 13 July
[19:05:55]
<tibid>
Agreed: Michiel will send email 19 July, and 13 July
[19:06:22]
<Michiel>
who is going to handle the postage?
[19:06:33]
<bob>
You mean paying for it?
[19:06:36]
<marcog>
bob and ShadowMaster?
[19:06:47]
<bob>
Or actually putting letters in the mailbox?
[19:06:50]
<marcog>
bob: posting it
[19:06:57]
<marcog>
it's effort++, trust me
[19:06:57]
<Michiel>
bob: that too, it will be claimed back
[19:07:11]
<Michiel>
bob: dont underestimate the job
[19:07:30]
<Michiel>
marcog: send letters when school starts?
[19:07:32]
<bob>
graham should have money from last time to cover the cost. I'm not in CT so if I post it will be later
[19:07:47]
<bob>
ShadowMaster: ?
[19:07:48]
<marcog>
Michiel: 1 week before
[19:07:53]
<Michiel>
only ShadowMaster is in CT
[19:08:11]
<graham>
we have about 600 left
[19:08:21]
<marcog>
Hamdulay, Vaughan: can either of you help ShadowMaster posting?
[19:08:30]
<Michiel>
graham: after my processed claim? :P
[19:08:37]
<bob>
graham: really? Hmm.. remind me to ask you about that later.
[19:08:50]
<Hamdulay>
marcog: sure
[19:08:54]
<graham>
Michiel: what clain is this?
[19:08:59]
<HayleyM>
I think you are missing AC ppl who could help, possibly bertus
[19:09:01]
<graham>
*claim
[19:09:02]
<Michiel>
the spur claim
[19:09:02]
<marcog>
ShadowMaster: you there?
[19:09:11]
<ShadowMaster>
eek
[19:09:14]
<ShadowMaster>
posting
[19:09:16]
<marcog>
HayleyM: Hamdulay says he'll help
[19:09:27]
<marcog>
ShadowMaster: someone has to do it
[19:09:38]
<graham>
Michiel: checking
[19:09:45]
<marcog>
it can be done in 3 hours with 2 people
[19:09:45]
<ShadowMaster>
this is true but generally you try to make sure you're not that someone :P
[19:09:53]
<Hamdulay>
as long as it doesn't involve too much writing, my handwriting sucks
[19:09:59]
<marcog>
ShadowMaster: you're the only main AC person in CT
[19:10:02]
<bob>
-_-
[19:10:06]
<ShadowMaster>
I'll do it ;)
[19:10:09]
<marcog>
Hamdulay: it involves lots of folding and licking
[19:10:13]
<ShadowMaster>
I really just don't want to
[19:10:14]
<Michiel>
ok
[19:10:15]
<ShadowMaster>
fuuu
[19:10:22]
<ShadowMaster>
don't we have water rollers ?
[19:10:24]
<marcog>
tibid: agreed ShadowMaster and Hamdulay to post letters
[19:10:24]
<tibid>
Agreed: ShadowMaster and Hamdulay to post letters
[19:10:27]
<marcog>
ShadowMaster: clothe
[19:10:27]
<bob>
Great.
[19:10:40]
<ShadowMaster>
marcog: clothe?
[19:10:48]
<Vaughan>
marcog: i'll help post
[19:10:48]
<Michiel>
tibid: Agreed ShadowMaster will handle postage 6 July, with Hamdulay asisting
[19:10:48]
<tibid>
Agreed: ShadowMaster will handle postage 6 July, with Hamdulay asisting
[19:10:49]
<graham>
Michiel: yes. i'm being stupid. we didn't pay for that. James did
[19:11:06]
<marcog>
tibid: agreed Vaughan helping ShadowMaster and Hamdulay posting
[19:11:06]
<tibid>
Agreed: Vaughan helping ShadowMaster and Hamdulay posting
[19:11:07]
<Michiel>
graham: great
[19:11:18]
<Vaughan>
what where when?
[19:11:29]
<marcog>
Michiel: can you help prepare the postage stuff for them? the electronic labels i mean
[19:11:38]
<Michiel>
marcog: yeah
[19:11:43]
<marcog>
Vaughan: in about 2 weeks, ShadowMaster will tell you about it
[19:11:55]
<ShadowMaster>
soon as I find out the details
[19:11:56]
<Michiel>
tibid: Michiel will handle prep of letter and lables
[19:11:56]
<tibid>
Michiel: Huh?
[19:11:59]
<Vaughan>
ok
[19:12:07]
<ShadowMaster>
where will we meet to do it?
[19:12:08]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed Michiel will handle prep of letter and lables
[19:12:08]
<tibid>
Agreed: Michiel will handle prep of letter and lables
[19:12:12]
<bob>
Speaking of labels. How much do those plastic name tag holder things cost?
[19:12:21]
<graham>
wait. i'm being even more stupid James paid for everything
[19:12:21]
<Hamdulay>
ShadowMaster: where can we?
[19:12:21]
<Michiel>
ShadowMaster: discuss ofline
[19:12:27]
<ShadowMaster>
ok
[19:12:29]
<bob>
I know they're always very stingy with them at R3
[19:12:31]
<graham>
so once we get repaid, we have > 2000
[19:12:57]
<marcog>
graham: that's a nice buffer
[19:13:03]
<Michiel>
Facebook event?
[19:13:14]
<Michiel>
who will handle this?
[19:13:37]
<bob>
The problem is that people can't say they're "attending" until after we've announced
[19:13:40]
<marcog>
i think focussing on website is more valueable
[19:13:53]
<Michiel>
true, so scract that idea?
[19:13:54]
<bob>
and then it kinda defeats the point, which was more for viral advertising
[19:14:06]
<nine>
52 52!!
[19:14:09]
<Michiel>
scrath
[19:14:16]
<zy>
bob think you can set it so an admin must approve your 'attending' status?
[19:14:18]
<marcog>
Michiel: for now, yup...perhaps once we can do that when we send the invitations
[19:14:28]
<graham>
scract. scrath
[19:14:30]
<Michiel>
ok agreed
[19:14:52]
<Michiel>
ok now me move on to content
[19:15:04]
<nine>
just to confirm, the game counter wraps around 50 :P
[19:15:08]
<Michiel>
will we do videos again?
[19:15:18]
<marcog>
we have to
[19:15:25]
<marcog>
since we're doing two lbas
[19:15:26]
<ShadowMaster>
nine: link?
[19:15:27]
<marcog>
*labs
[19:15:35]
<graham>
same day or at another time?
[19:15:38]
<marcog>
i will discuss with Vaughan in next meeting, so move on
[19:15:42]
<bob>
marco: oh right. But will it be recorded?
[19:15:45]
<ShadowMaster>
we can though buy a good camera
[19:15:47]
<HayleyM>
bob: plastic names badges from Merrypak are R165 for 50
[19:15:51]
<marcog>
bob: next meeting
[19:15:53]
<Michiel>
tumbleweed: can you take charge of this?
[19:15:53]
<ShadowMaster>
since we can use the camera for umonya
[19:16:01]
<marcog>
Michiel: *next* meeting
[19:16:10]
<bob>
Thanks HayleyM. graham: is it possible?
[19:16:10]
<Michiel>
ok
[19:16:24]
<graham>
sounds fine
[19:16:27]
<bob>
I promise I'll do it properly this time
[19:16:51]
<marcog>
can we go a bit faster, i don't want to be here too late
[19:16:59]
<Michiel>
yeah ok
[19:17:01]
<HayleyM>
sorry
[19:17:05]
<bob>
yeah, my sister is nagging me to go out.
[19:17:07]
<marcog>
np
[19:17:13]
<Michiel>
course notes
[19:17:22]
<Michiel>
should they be editted?
[19:17:22]
<marcog>
bob: we have another meeting to follow :P
[19:17:22]
<graham>
if we are quick, we may catch the end of the tennis :P
[19:17:22]
<nine>
ShadowMaster: http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/tracker/ttFrame.html?ts=1277320423535&lang=en_GB&syn=none&wh=572&mode=score&ref=www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/tracker/index.html&db=false&crt=none
[19:17:49]
<bob>
Michiel: yes, I think each lecturer should review his notes
[19:17:52]
<HayleyM>
course notes need to be edited
[19:17:53]
<Michiel>
graham: that ends tomorrow
[19:18:02]
<bob>
but we also need someone to go over the entire thing to make sure its consistant
[19:18:10]
<bob>
and there aren't unmet dependencies and stuff
[19:18:14]
<Michiel>
who will take charge of that?
[19:18:17]
<bob>
I don't mind doing that
[19:18:17]
<marcog>
we must remember, we're doing a major rewrite for umonya
[19:18:35]
<bob>
But I *will* delegate
[19:18:37]
<marcog>
so we don't want to waste too much effort now if we're just going to rewrite the stuff
[19:18:43]
<bob>
True
[19:18:44]
<HayleyM>
i think minor review by each lecturer for his section, major rewrite for umonya
[19:18:49]
<Michiel>
marcog: agreed
[19:18:49]
<marcog>
yes
[19:18:54]
<bob>
okay, maybe I should just go through and check for OBVIOUS flaws
[19:19:08]
<marcog>
and tidy up the exercises
[19:19:12]
<marcog>
those we can always reuse
[19:19:12]
<Michiel>
tibid: minor editing on course notes by lecturers supervised by bob
[19:19:12]
<tibid>
Michiel: What?
[19:19:21]
<graham>
iirc there was one exercise that required stuff we hadn't got to yet
[19:19:24]
<Michiel>
tibid:agreed minor editing on course notes by lecturers supervised by bob
[19:19:24]
<tibid>
Agreed: minor editing on course notes by lecturers supervised by bob
[19:19:35]
<marcog>
graham: yes! bad
[19:19:47]
<marcog>
and some sections didn't have enough simple exercises
[19:19:58]
<marcog>
plus the written exercises were silly in the environment
[19:20:06]
<marcog>
e.g. what is a bool?
[19:20:16]
<Michiel>
pace was covered
[19:20:17]
<bob>
Okay. Are we discussing Applications now?
[19:20:18]
<HayleyM>
bob: possibly ask Rory to help, he's very good at reading through python lit
[19:20:28]
<Michiel>
IDEs
[19:20:43]
<bob>
Ah. Okay, how hard is it to install something in those labs?
[19:21:06]
<bob>
HayleyM: not sure who that is, but I'll ask you later ;)
[19:21:07]
<Michiel>
will need to invetigate
[19:21:12]
<zy>
think you have to get it by ICTS
[19:21:18]
<zy>
and it involves reimaging
[19:21:18]
<nine>
53,53
[19:21:31]
<Michiel>
what IDEs are being proposed
[19:21:33]
<marcog>
bob: very difficult
[19:21:38]
<marcog>
very very difficult
[19:21:51]
<HayleyM>
Wing IDE I think
[19:21:54]
<zy>
wing and komodo according to etherpad
[19:22:04]
<bob>
I think those IDE's can be installed without installing. By simply copying files
[19:22:05]
<zy>
I'm not familiar with either
[19:22:09]
<marcog>
HayleyM: +1
[19:22:15]
<bob>
In which case we just put it in everyone's home folder.
[19:22:23]
<marcog>
bob: yes, we can install in n:/ssaco/saco
[19:22:32]
<Michiel>
i think we should pass that and move on
[19:22:35]
<marcog>
which reminds me Michiel
[19:22:38]
<Michiel>
agreed?
[19:22:44]
<marcog>
you're going to have to fight with icts to get accounts
[19:22:45]
<bob>
no what?
[19:22:53]
<Michiel>
marcog: will do
[19:22:56]
<bob>
You mean we should get someone to test it later?
[19:23:03]
<marcog>
Michiel: start ASAP, seriously
[19:23:04]
<bob>
Or you want to use idle again?
[19:23:13]
<marcog>
Michiel: email craig, not gerhard about it
[19:23:17]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed Michiel will fight with icts for accounts ASAP
[19:23:17]
<tibid>
Agreed: Michiel will fight with icts for accounts ASAP
[19:23:45]
<marcog>
bob: can you take a more serious look into wing ide 101?
[19:23:48]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed will try wing IDE, from n:\saco\saco
[19:23:48]
<tibid>
Agreed: will try wing IDE, from n:\saco\saco
[19:23:52]
<marcog>
and give your verdict
[19:23:56]
<bob>
Who here has a windows pc? Its your duty to test if you can "install" wing by only copying it.
[19:24:07]
<Michiel>
zy:
[19:24:09]
<marcog>
bob ask ShadowMaster :P
[19:24:10]
<Michiel>
do that
[19:24:12]
<marcog>
or zy
[19:24:21]
<zy>
ok
[19:24:26]
<Michiel>
Guis?
[19:24:26]
<zy>
am in windows atm
[19:24:31]
<marcog>
next
[19:24:34]
<bob>
Then its your duty.
[19:24:42]
<marcog>
guis let's discuss another time?
[19:24:46]
<Michiel>
ok
[19:24:49]
<marcog>
i think not for this course
[19:24:52]
<bob>
tibid: agreed Zy will test Wingware 101 IDE to see if it can be installed
[19:24:52]
<tibid>
bob: One learns a new thing every day
[19:24:54]
<Michiel>
agreed
[19:24:55]
<marcog>
if we not rewriting notes
[19:24:59]
<bob>
:/ fail
[19:25:00]
<marcog>
but maybe umonya
[19:25:06]
<Michiel>
Aptitude test?
[19:25:18]
<marcog>
for what?
[19:25:22]
<ShadowMaster>
marcog: I haven't used windows in 2 months
[19:25:29]
<Michiel>
applicaations?
[19:25:30]
<marcog>
ShadowMaster: zy is doing it
[19:25:34]
<ShadowMaster>
kk
[19:25:36]
<graham>
Michiel: what happend to wesite
[19:25:38]
<ShadowMaster>
just saying
[19:25:40]
<graham>
*website
[19:25:45]
<Michiel>
fuuu
[19:25:46]
<marcog>
Michiel: what i said on the agenda
[19:25:48]
<bob>
Is Sigh here?
[19:25:51]
<Michiel>
website first
[19:25:51]
<zy>
I'll install on here, then copy files to laptop and see if it works
[19:25:56]
<marcog>
ask them to descibe how to make a sandwhich
[19:26:09]
<marcog>
bob no
[19:26:11]
<graham>
sudo make me a sandwich = in
[19:26:13]
<zy>
or... boot into my xp partition since that is what the lab pcs are running
[19:26:14]
<bob>
marco: the thing is the question might not be obvious
[19:26:45]
<bob>
How about a VERY simple robot programming question from R1?
[19:26:48]
<zy>
can we give them a simple maze and ask them to direct a robot out of it?
[19:27:01]
<bob>
zy: great minds...
[19:27:05]
<marcog>
bob: duncan has seen this work in the past
[19:27:12]
<marcog>
zy: too complicated
[19:27:23]
<zy>
:) or something like get a robot to walk in the shap of an H?
[19:27:35]
<marcog>
how does that test logic?
[19:27:37]
<marcog>
that's random
[19:27:44]
<marcog>
it's why i hate saco r1
[19:28:02]
<bob>
how about a maths problem?
[19:28:04]
<zy>
sigh
[19:28:09]
<graham>
it is very difficult to test. we need something
[19:28:20]
<Michiel>
i think we should use some short apptitude question we can discuss ofline
[19:28:34]
<bob>
Or boolean logic? We can ask a question like "these people tell the truth, these ones lie, something something, blah blahh"
[19:28:37]
<Michiel>
agredd?
[19:28:56]
<marcog>
I still say: You have made a friend from Mars, who has never seen a kitchen before. How would you describe to him how to make a sandwhich?
[19:29:00]
<graham>
ja, i'm thinking teach them something they don't know and ask them about it.
[19:29:05]
<BlaQ_PhoeniX>
lol bob, knights and knaves >.<
[19:29:11]
<zy>
I like marcogs idea
[19:29:24]
<marcog>
you can get a lot out of it
[19:29:35]
<marcog>
it tests logical thinking
[19:29:45]
<ShadowMaster>
I think marcog's idea is great
[19:29:45]
<marcog>
being able to lay out ones thoughts carefully
[19:29:49]
<graham>
srsly though. xkcd reference gets full marks
[19:29:53]
<bob>
Alright, I'll try it on my sister's friends and see how they respond. But we can move on.
[19:29:55]
<graham>
agreed
[19:29:57]
<Michiel>
can we discuss the question offline and continue
[19:30:02]
<nine>
54,54
[19:30:08]
* ShadowMaster
wonders I wonder if we should change the question
[19:30:21]
<marcog>
but the idea is there
[19:30:31]
<ShadowMaster>
not everyone one may know about them sandwhiches
[19:30:36]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed use short aptitude question, to be discussed offline
[19:30:36]
<tibid>
Agreed: use short aptitude question, to be discussed offline
[19:30:37]
<marcog>
it could be made simpler to boiling a kettel for example
[19:30:59]
<Michiel>
do we relly need subject choices?
[19:31:11]
<bob>
Michiel: yes.
[19:31:11]
<graham>
it can't harm
[19:31:20]
<marcog>
information overload
[19:31:25]
<BlaQ_PhoeniX>
boiling a kettle isnt simple
[19:31:25]
<marcog>
what do we do with it?
[19:31:28]
<Michiel>
marcog: i agree
[19:31:30]
<bob>
If someone does Maths lit and no Physical Science...
[19:31:34]
<marcog>
and do <= grade 9 even have choices?
[19:31:47]
<zy>
marcog no
[19:31:49]
<bob>
No, they don't. I suppose
[19:31:51]
<Michiel>
no they dont
[19:31:51]
<graham>
it could help to know what they are interested in
[19:32:02]
<graham>
they could say what the are planning on choosing
[19:32:04]
<bob>
but that brings me to another question, what grades are we aiming at?
[19:32:04]
<marcog>
chances are they wont apply if not interested
[19:32:05]
<BlaQ_PhoeniX>
they can only choose between art etc.
[19:32:11]
<graham>
ok true
[19:32:15]
<zy>
Michiel you can be interested in programming without taking IT
[19:32:15]
<HayleyM>
I put into subject choices for maybe arranging applications of CS talks
[19:32:24]
<marcog>
bob: for this course, i'd say grade 7-9
[19:32:35]
<Michiel>
zy: my point exactly
[19:32:38]
<bob>
Strictly?
[19:32:58]
<bob>
Another thing is people that are doing Java in Grade 10? Last time they were more of a distraction.
[19:32:58]
<marcog>
bob: i think those who have done programming at school are mostly a distraction
[19:33:02]
<Michiel>
bob: no
[19:33:09]
<marcog>
bob ^5
[19:33:16]
<bob>
But there might be some that are genuinely interested in learning more languages.
[19:33:34]
<zy>
it shouldnt count against them if they are doing IT
[19:33:36]
<graham>
i think this is not the course for that
[19:33:46]
<graham>
this is too introductory
[19:33:47]
<marcog>
zy: i think it should
[19:33:54]
<marcog>
we have a focus we should stick with it
[19:33:59]
<zy>
but if they are in gr 11 they might know too much already
[19:34:01]
<Michiel>
zy: I agree with marcog
[19:34:02]
<graham>
i agreed with marcog
[19:34:10]
<graham>
*agree
[19:34:13]
<bob>
graham: true. Perhaps we should have converting course LATER
[19:34:17]
<marcog>
i think g7-9 + g10-12 if the school does not offer IT
[19:34:28]
<Michiel>
marcog: agreed
[19:34:29]
<zy>
mean gr 11 IT
[19:34:32]
<bob>
Agreed
[19:34:36]
<graham>
agreed
[19:34:45]
<zy>
ok
[19:34:57]
<Michiel>
tibid: agree target market g7-9 + 10-12 without IT
[19:34:57]
<tibid>
Michiel: Excuse me?
[19:35:07]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed target market g7-9 + 10-12 without IT
[19:35:07]
<tibid>
Agreed: target market g7-9 + 10-12 without IT
[19:35:08]
<marcog>
we can advertise as g 7-12's not *yet* taking IT
[19:35:20]
<graham>
maybe don
[19:35:22]
<marcog>
and then we can check with WCED what schools do offer IT
[19:35:29]
<graham>
maybe don't advertise up to grade 12
[19:35:36]
<bob>
thats easy to check, they have a website for that
[19:35:37]
<marcog>
hmm, why not?
[19:35:41]
<graham>
but if people are interested they can ask
[19:35:46]
<graham>
i dunno
[19:35:52]
<zy>
why not advertise to matrics?
[19:35:58]
<marcog>
people rarely ask if it's not advertised to them
[19:36:01]
<graham>
ok. do
[19:36:04]
<bob>
I also am not sure about the lower bound. Although that one grade 6 last time was fail
[19:36:26]
<marcog>
if we say not IT, we must be careful not to make those taking IT in g7 for e.g. think they aren't allowed
[19:36:42]
<HayleyM>
i think gr 7 up
[19:36:42]
<graham>
is there IT in g7?
[19:36:48]
<marcog>
bob: yeah, unless we're sure about them like a couple strong g5/6s have applied now
[19:36:49]
<bob>
But some of the Gr. 7's were really skilled
[19:37:03]
<marcog>
graham: well, not programming but word and such
[19:37:10]
<bob>
Okay, we don't advertise to them then
[19:37:13]
<Hamdulay>
and the CAT poeple?
[19:37:13]
<marcog>
schools call that IT sometimes
[19:37:26]
<marcog>
Hamdulay: they are welcome
[19:37:38]
<Hamdulay>
some of them think of it as IT
[19:37:45]
<marcog>
hmm
[19:37:47]
<bob>
How are the applicationns going to work? Google spreadsheet again? It becomes quite messy, but I'm not sure if there's a better way.
[19:37:51]
<graham>
well, they aren't the ones we are aiming at
[19:37:54]
<marcog>
we need to think of how to phrase this
[19:37:59]
<marcog>
graham: why not?
[19:38:00]
<Michiel>
i think we should just be careful on the exact wording
[19:38:08]
<marcog>
graham: if they want to maybe take CS?
[19:38:11]
<graham>
marcog: the ones who think CAT == IT
[19:38:16]
<Michiel>
but we all know what the target market
[19:38:20]
<graham>
no. CAT i agree
[19:38:32]
<graham>
but they need to know they are different
[19:38:36]
<bob>
OKay, if they thing CAT==IT, then they're not who we looking for?
[19:38:38]
<marcog>
graham: i see your point
[19:38:44]
<marcog>
we need to word it carefully
[19:38:52]
<marcog>
bob: no disagree
[19:38:59]
<bob>
:p
[19:39:04]
<zy>
also be careful of some peopel who think excel = programming
[19:39:09]
<Michiel>
marcog: you are good with such things
[19:39:10]
<bob>
:D
[19:39:13]
<zy>
have found that with CAT before
[19:39:14]
<marcog>
bob: we need a better way of taking applications
[19:39:23]
<marcog>
Michiel: i will think about how to word it
[19:39:29]
<marcog>
but let's continue next point
[19:39:48]
<Michiel>
Email queries
[19:39:56]
<marcog>
bernie
[19:39:57]
<bob>
Who's going to be in charge of acceptance letters and queries and rejection letters?
[19:40:03]
<bob>
It would be best if one person did this...
[19:40:07]
<bob>
Michiel?
[19:40:07]
<marcog>
bob: we need to write scripts
[19:40:11]
<bob>
Or that
[19:40:14]
<Michiel>
bob: scripts
[19:40:17]
<bob>
I can probably write scripts
[19:40:21]
<marcog>
ok good
[19:40:43]
<bob>
done a lot of that. Hmm.. I've been meaning to practice my django
[19:40:54]
<marcog>
next
[19:40:54]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed bon wil write email script
[19:40:54]
<tibid>
Agreed: bon wil write email script
[19:41:01]
<marcog>
hello bon
[19:41:02]
<Michiel>
bob*
[19:41:04]
<bob>
lol
[19:41:11]
<HayleyM>
hehe
[19:41:17]
<graham>
hmm. should we send emails to those that applied last time but didn't get through?
[19:41:22]
<Michiel>
phone queries?
[19:41:22]
<marcog>
yes
[19:41:28]
<marcog>
Michiel: bernie
[19:41:42]
<Michiel>
ok i think thats it then
[19:41:46]
<HayleyM>
graham: yes
[19:41:53]
<marcog>
lecturers/tutors?
[19:42:06]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed bernie will handle queries
[19:42:06]
<tibid>
Agreed: bernie will handle queries
[19:42:24]
<marcog>
i think we need to carefully select 4 lecturers
[19:42:31]
<marcog>
that will be able to lecture next year as well
[19:42:38]
<Michiel>
marcog: i agree
[19:42:38]
<marcog>
get them to practice now
[19:42:53]
<marcog>
but we can work out who later
[19:43:04]
<marcog>
as a quick stab, i'd say def poulter
[19:43:05]
<Michiel>
but i also think we should perhaps let other people lecture to practice for umonye
[19:43:09]
<marcog>
he had potential
[19:43:17]
<HayleyM>
marcog: make a list of topics, get lecturers to pick topics they would be happy doing
[19:43:23]
<marcog>
he struggled early on but i could see he worked
[19:43:27]
<marcog>
HayleyM: agreed
[19:43:30]
<HayleyM>
poulter probably won't get time off to fly around
[19:43:34]
<Michiel>
marcog: yeah definatly
[19:43:45]
<marcog>
HayleyM: it's mostly on weekends though
[19:43:51]
<marcog>
but i'll speak to him
[19:44:05]
<HayleyM>
who lectured last time?
[19:44:09]
<marcog>
then bob also looked good last time
[19:44:20]
<marcog>
i won't be there, so i'm out
[19:44:30]
<bob>
marcog: I always look good :P
[19:44:47]
<bob>
Yeah I'm keen to lecture though
[19:44:54]
<Michiel>
marcog: those that are practiced perhaps should NOT lecture this time
[19:44:59]
<marcog>
Michiel: to be honest you weren't stellar but you do a lot
[19:44:59]
<Michiel>
just assist
[19:45:03]
<nine>
57,56
[19:45:07]
<marcog>
i disagree
[19:45:18]
<bob>
I also disagree
[19:45:20]
<zy>
I wouldn't mind lecturing a section
[19:45:34]
<marcog>
zy: we could try you out
[19:45:40]
<bob>
They should try out this time so that we know for imunye
[19:45:42]
<marcog>
but you'd lecture 1/4 of the stuff
[19:45:44]
<zy>
I would like some practice
[19:45:48]
<HayleyM>
i'd offer to lecture but not there
[19:45:51]
<bob>
I think zy: could lecture..
[19:45:52]
<marcog>
yeah
[19:45:53]
<Michiel>
i wouldnt mind not lecturing this time
[19:45:56]
<bob>
HayleyM: :(
[19:46:02]
<graham>
lol. this name is getting bent beyond recognition
[19:46:08]
<marcog>
HayleyM: you here next year?
[19:46:13]
<HayleyM>
yes
[19:46:16]
<marcog>
lol graham
[19:46:30]
<marcog>
HayleyM: ok, so maybe Michiel lecture now and you take his place?
[19:46:43]
<marcog>
then we have bob, Michiel, zy, poulter
[19:46:55]
<Michiel>
ok i agree
[19:46:58]
<marcog>
with HayleyM replacing someone for umonya i think you're great at lecturing
[19:47:08]
<zy>
I will need to read up on my python
[19:47:14]
<marcog>
yeah
[19:47:23]
<marcog>
we must have lecture meetings before
[19:47:25]
<marcog>
well before
[19:47:25]
<HayleyM>
i certainly have enough practice, i lecture every week :P
[19:47:25]
<zy>
which is a good thing
[19:47:30]
<Michiel>
tibid: agreed lecturers are bob, poulter, zy and Michiel
[19:47:30]
<tibid>
Agreed: lecturers are bob, poulter, zy and Michiel
[19:47:45]
<marcog>
tutors, i will send an email to some people
[19:47:54]
<Michiel>
marcog: great
[19:48:00]
<Michiel>
i think we are done
[19:48:00]
<marcog>
Michiel: can you send me a outline of the dates, etc. for that?
[19:48:09]
<Michiel>
marcog: sure
[19:48:13]
<marcog>
dates and times
[19:48:15]
<marcog>
ok, done
[19:48:17]
<marcog>
tibid: end meeting