Convened at 2010-09-27 18:05:03.815494 by marcog
in #algorithm on shadowfire
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<marcog>
tibid: start meeting about Umonya Logo
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* tibid
gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
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<marcog>
tibid: i am Marco Gallotta
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<tibid>
marcog: Yessir
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<maiatoday>
tibid: I am Maia Grotepass
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<tibid>
maiatoday: Done
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<dougx>
tibid: I am Doug Kisabaka
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<tibid>
dougx: Okay
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<marcog>
dougx: you want to take lead?
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<dougx>
in a minute
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<dougx>
so ismail sent this https://website-a-umonya-co-za.googlegroups.com/attach/e37b855e66f230b0/umonya.jpg?gda=mvL9zUcAAADyrbSXqg1rbEy2ivvtxIz2OWqcpKF99za9pnenFWW5QqcraeZJG5fSDnvLykb7vbg3MCnZ3ExGKa1voVhs8LxdeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&view=1&part=4
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<Michiel>
hello
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<tibid>
By the way, Taejo on shadowfire told me "pm Michiel would you like to beta-test saco? you can consider it ACM training" 2 hours, 32 minutes and 46 seconds ago
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<dougx>
I like the font but the text below is just too much for a logo
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<Zy>
hello
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marcog
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<dougx>
I'm thinking of something round like with colors on it
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<marcog>
hi Michiel, Zy
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<Taejo>
you can get a vector version of the python logo
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<marcog>
dougx: i agree
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<dougx>
Taejo: very close to that, that's a very good point
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<marcog>
also, the snake if we have one should be cartoony
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* dougx
is using linux (no adobe fireworks, sorry)
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<marcog>
so it can be printed on a shirt
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<dougx>
yes
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<casted>
do you have rights to use that snake picture?
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<casted>
also, is it highres enough for printing
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<marcog>
probably not
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<dougx>
We propbably don't need something too real
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<dougx>
cartoony as marcog mentioned will be good
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<Michiel>
i agree
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<maiatoday>
I have the python logo in svg
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<dougx>
good maiatoday: I'd love to play with that
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<maiatoday>
also I dig snakes, but some cultures are terified of them
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<dougx>
true
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<marcog>
maiatoday: you think that's a problem?
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<maiatoday>
so we can't have the snake too scary realistic
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<dougx>
so we make it less obvious that it's a snake, like in the python logo
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<marcog>
yes, that i agree with maiatoday
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<dougx>
What else could go into the logo?
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<marcog>
can we give an indication of young kids?
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<marcog>
and maybe the project's african roots
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<marcog>
just braindumping
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<Michiel>
what if we dress up the python logo in african close?
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<maiatoday>
those basket weaving techniques are very mathematical and african and very like the star xmas tree examples
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<dougx>
nice Michiel!
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<marcog>
Michiel: that's what i was thinking
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<Michiel>
clothes
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<Michiel>
sorry :P
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<maiatoday>
or if we redo the python logo in a basket weave
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<dougx>
very good ideas
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<marcog>
maiatoday: i like that idea, but only thing is it won't be for tshirts
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<marcog>
i mean it won't come out on the tshirt printing
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<marcog>
but it's ok for the website / printed documents
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<maiatoday>
the basket weave thing could be very geometric and vector, don't think of a basket as in looking like a real basket
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<dougx>
what about dressing the python logo with alternating colored triangles with a thick white outline
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<dougx>
a bit like tribal art
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<casted>
how about a vuvuzela that looks like a snake
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<marcog>
dougx: would that not be too detailed?
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<Michiel>
casted: no
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<marcog>
casted: stfu :)
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<dougx>
doesn't have to be too detailed
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<casted>
:P
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<dougx>
casted: NO!
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<Michiel>
the rest of the world hates those
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<casted>
they hate them here too
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<Michiel>
casted: our broadcasters did not give a paid option to have them digitally removed
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<maiatoday>
http://www.allfiberarts.com/library/graphics/draft/basket4.jpg
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<maiatoday>
not that exactly but it gives you an idea of the simplified graphicness you could do with basket
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<casted>
Michiel: i found the tv-off button to work quite well
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<dougx>
maiatoday: not so inspiring imho
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<casted>
ok, well this is OT, so lets stop the vuvuzela talk :)
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<marcog>
comment from marko who might run umonya in croatia
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<marcog>
Marko: I see no evil in having multiple logos.
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<marcog>
we might consider making the logo "adjustable" for europe
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<dougx>
A common identity will be good
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<maiatoday>
neither do I
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<marcog>
but then they would make the change
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<maiatoday>
more difficult to design a multi-funtion logo
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<dougx>
Having the logo based on python's is a good idea since it has a unique shape
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<marcog>
yeah
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<marcog>
and just texture the logo or something based on country
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<maiatoday>
so long as we stay within python conditions.
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<dougx>
good
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<casted>
python logo with countries flag colours?
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<dougx>
kinda
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<marcog>
casted: for croatia i was thinking the red-white checkers board
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<marcog>
for e.g.
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<maiatoday>
I think we aren't really allowed to modify it too much if we follow the license strictly though
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<ShadowMaster>
also casted good thing I didn't play you in sqaush
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<bob>
hey all
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<maiatoday>
hehe the checker board sounds like a basket weave again
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<casted>
ShadowMaster: why?
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<ShadowMaster>
serving I can't do it
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<marcog>
ShadowMaster, casted: can you go to pvt plox
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<marcog>
hey bob
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<casted>
kk
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<ShadowMaster>
kk
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<maiatoday>
we could make the snake come out of a basket like those snake charmers
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<dougx>
Good point concerning the license. So let's make a pythonic-logo that can still be recoginsed to bear resemblance to python
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<casted>
you could write umonya in the style of the python snakes?
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<casted>
or maybe just the U
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<marcog>
maiatoday: Use of derived logos for user groups and conferences -- Allowed if used to refer to the Python programming language. Commercial user groups and for-profit conferences require permission from the PSF.
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<maiatoday>
yes that's right marcog, but isn't there something about modification
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<dougx>
casted: can you explain your last point please? I don't see the round shaping becoming a U :-D
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<marcog>
maiatoday: that is about derived logos, i.e. modified
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<casted>
dougx: yeah it will require some hax
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<bob>
I like casted's vuvuzela idea...
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<Michiel>
bob: no
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<maiatoday>
now I am thinking about those escher snakes that look a lot like the python logo too
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<Zy>
no vuvuzelas
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<dougx>
bob: vuvuzela is soccer, not Africa or computer related
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<Taejo>
how about a snake coming out of the U, or the A being a snake?
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<marcog>
Taejo: i like
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<marcog>
re the different logos
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<marcog>
Marko: it goes well with the whole "independent cell" idea
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<dougx>
or the O being a snake based on the python logo
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<bob>
You could have a U wrapped in a snake...
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<dougx>
marcog: do you know if Marko can join this meeting?
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<maiatoday>
I like that dougx
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<marcog>
it just has to come out well when it's small
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<marcog>
dougx: i'm gonna ask him
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<maiatoday>
just the umonya word with python logo instead of o
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* maiatoday
is always a fan of simpler solutions
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<Taejo>
marko is beta-testing saco right now
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<marcog>
Taejo: ah right
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<dougx>
simple is good
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<bob>
maiatoday: it still doesn't help for a single small logo for little prints
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<maiatoday>
hmmm single small logo for little prints needs to be really simple like the ubuntu logo
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<bob>
Yip.
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<bob>
So perhaps you could change that O into something more unique than just the normal python logo?
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<maiatoday>
maybe we can have a version with three snakes instead of 2
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<casted>
dougx: i meant something like this for the U http://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~ksmith/share/umonya-logo-idea.png
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<dougx>
good one casted :-D
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<bob>
casted: you can even have those overlapping at the bottom
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<dougx>
I like the design my casted
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<casted>
bob: yeah, i want it to overlap
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<casted>
but its just a quick hack i did in gimp
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<casted>
just wanted to give the idea
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<Michiel>
i think it needs green
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<Taejo>
yeah, green and brown is nicer than yellow, blue, brown
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<dougx>
I'd settle for the design by casted - who else likes it? just make the bottoms overlap
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<casted>
you would need the right font to follow the U
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<casted>
or just make it the logo, and umonya is separate
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<dougx>
there's tons of nice free fonts out there
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<casted>
yup
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<maiatoday>
can the python shapes in U stand on it's own? I think so
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<casted>
use a good monospace one, after all this a programming thing
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<Taejo>
urgh
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<bob>
And perhaps the colours you would find in a python?
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<casted>
maiatoday: yeah, the more i thought about i'd rather not have it part of the word
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<marcog>
casted: i like the idea of having a separate logo and umonya banner
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<casted>
kk
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<dougx>
no, no courrier new please
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<bob>
brown and greeny brown
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<casted>
monospace was a joke :P
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<bob>
btw is it possible to have a python's spots (which can be quite intricate) in some sort of binary or grey code form?
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<Michiel>
bob i like
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<maiatoday>
ok I just played with the vectors, I flipped the snakes so they make something that looks like a curly brace with 010101 coming out of it I'll try to put the image somewhere
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<dougx>
casted and maiatoday here's a nice svg for inkscape http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Python_logo.svg
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<maiatoday>
yes that's what I am using
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<dougx>
:D
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<dougx>
I need a copy of that font they use there
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<Taejo>
I think you can get it somewhere
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<bob>
oh... I just thought of something... If you have like three pythons (perhaps of different shades of brown/green) you can have them weave in and out in the binary.
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<Taejo>
but I don't like it
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<Taejo>
I like the font used in the first logo (was that dougx's?)
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<Michiel>
binary does not print well
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<dougx>
Taejo: link?
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<Taejo>
https://website-a-umonya-co-za.googlegroups.com/attach/e37b855e66f230b0/umonya.jpg?gda=mvL9zUcAAADyrbSXqg1rbEy2ivvtxIz2OWqcpKF99za9pnenFWW5QqcraeZJG5fSDnvLykb7vbg3MCnZ3ExGKa1voVhs8LxdeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&view=1&part=4
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<dougx>
That was from Ismail's friend. His name is mohamed
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<dougx>
We might need to ask him if more people like it
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<dougx>
Details about the python logo for ye all designers; http://www.python.org/community/logos/
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<marcog>
so do we have anything more to dicuss? or should we end this meeting and let people send ideas around via email?
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<dougx>
end the meetin
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<marcog>
sounds like we need to see some mockups
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<maiatoday>
I don't have much more to say
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<marcog>
tibid: end meeting