Convened at 2010-09-27 18:05:03.815494 by marcog
		in #algorithm on shadowfire
	
	
		
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			<marcog>
			tibid: start meeting about Umonya Logo
		
		
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			* tibid
			gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
		
		
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			<marcog>
			tibid: i am Marco Gallotta
		
		
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			<tibid>
			marcog: Yessir
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			tibid: I am Maia Grotepass
		
		
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			<tibid>
			maiatoday: Done
		
		
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			<dougx>
			tibid: I am Doug Kisabaka
		
		
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			<tibid>
			dougx: Okay
		
		
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			<marcog>
			dougx: you want to take lead?
		
		
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			<dougx>
			in a minute
		
		
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			<dougx>
			so ismail sent this https://website-a-umonya-co-za.googlegroups.com/attach/e37b855e66f230b0/umonya.jpg?gda=mvL9zUcAAADyrbSXqg1rbEy2ivvtxIz2OWqcpKF99za9pnenFWW5QqcraeZJG5fSDnvLykb7vbg3MCnZ3ExGKa1voVhs8LxdeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&view=1&part=4
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			hello
		
		
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			<tibid>
			By the way, Taejo on shadowfire told me "pm Michiel would you like to beta-test saco? you can consider it ACM training" 2 hours, 32 minutes and 46 seconds ago
		
		
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			<dougx>
			I like the font but the text below is just too much for a logo
		
		
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			<Zy>
			hello
		
		
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			marcog
		
		
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			<dougx>
			I'm thinking of something round like with colors on it
		
		
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			<marcog>
			hi Michiel, Zy 
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			you can get a vector version of the python logo
		
		
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			<marcog>
			dougx: i agree
		
		
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			<dougx>
			Taejo: very close to that, that's a very good point
		
		
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			<marcog>
			also, the snake if we have one should be cartoony
		
		
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			* dougx
			is using linux (no adobe fireworks, sorry)
		
		
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			<marcog>
			so it can be printed on a shirt
		
		
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			<dougx>
			yes
		
		
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			<casted>
			do you have rights to use that snake picture?
		
		
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			<casted>
			also, is it highres enough for printing
		
		
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			<marcog>
			probably not
		
		
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			<dougx>
			We propbably don't need something too real
		
		
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			<dougx>
			cartoony as marcog mentioned will be good
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			i agree
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			I have the python logo in svg
		
		
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			<dougx>
			good maiatoday: I'd love to play with that
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			also I dig snakes, but some cultures are terified of them
		
		
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			<dougx>
			true
		
		
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			<marcog>
			maiatoday: you think that's a problem?
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			so we can't have the snake too scary realistic
		
		
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			<dougx>
			so we make it less obvious that it's a snake, like in the python logo
		
		
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			<marcog>
			yes, that i agree with maiatoday 
		
		
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			<dougx>
			What else could go into the logo?
		
		
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			<marcog>
			can we give an indication of young kids?
		
		
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			<marcog>
			and maybe the project's african roots
		
		
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			<marcog>
			just braindumping
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			what if we dress up the python logo in african close?
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			those basket weaving techniques are very mathematical and african and very like the star xmas tree examples
		
		
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			<dougx>
			nice Michiel!
		
		
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			<marcog>
			Michiel: that's what i was thinking
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			clothes
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			sorry :P
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			or if we redo the python logo in a basket weave
		
		
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			<dougx>
			very good ideas
		
		
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			<marcog>
			maiatoday: i like that idea, but only thing is it won't be for tshirts
		
		
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			<marcog>
			i mean it won't come out on the tshirt printing
		
		
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			<marcog>
			but it's ok for the website / printed documents
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			the basket weave thing could be very geometric and vector, don't think of a basket as in looking like a real basket
		
		
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			<dougx>
			what about dressing the python logo with alternating colored triangles with a thick white outline
		
		
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			<dougx>
			a bit like tribal art
		
		
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			<casted>
			how about a vuvuzela that looks like a snake
		
		
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			<marcog>
			dougx: would that not be too detailed?
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			casted: no
		
		
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			<marcog>
			casted: stfu :)
		
		
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			<dougx>
			doesn't have to be too detailed
		
		
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			<casted>
			:P
		
		
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			<dougx>
			casted: NO!
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			the rest of the world hates those
		
		
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			<casted>
			they hate them here too
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			casted: our broadcasters did not give a paid option to have them digitally removed
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			http://www.allfiberarts.com/library/graphics/draft/basket4.jpg
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			not that exactly but it gives you an idea of the simplified graphicness you could do with basket
		
		
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			<casted>
			Michiel: i found the tv-off button to work quite well
		
		
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			<dougx>
			maiatoday: not so inspiring imho
		
		
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			<casted>
			ok, well this is OT, so lets stop the vuvuzela talk :)
		
		
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			<marcog>
			comment from marko who might run umonya in croatia
		
		
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			<marcog>
			 Marko:  I see no evil in having multiple logos.
		
		
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			<marcog>
			we might consider making the logo "adjustable" for europe
		
		
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			<dougx>
			A common identity will be good
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			neither do I
		
		
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			<marcog>
			but then they would make the change
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			more difficult to design a multi-funtion logo
		
		
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			<dougx>
			Having the logo based on python's is a good idea since it has a unique shape
		
		
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			<marcog>
			yeah
		
		
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			<marcog>
			and just texture the logo or something based on country
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			so long as we stay within python conditions.
		
		
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			<dougx>
			good
		
		
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			<casted>
			python logo with countries flag colours?
		
		
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			<dougx>
			kinda
		
		
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			<marcog>
			casted: for croatia i was thinking the red-white checkers board
		
		
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			<marcog>
			for e.g.
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			I think we aren't really allowed to modify it too much if we follow the license strictly though
		
		
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			<ShadowMaster>
			also casted good thing I didn't play you in sqaush
		
		
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			<bob>
			hey all
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			hehe the checker board sounds like a basket weave again
		
		
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			<casted>
			ShadowMaster: why?
		
		
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			<ShadowMaster>
			serving I can't do it 
		
		
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			<marcog>
			ShadowMaster, casted: can you go to pvt plox
		
		
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			<marcog>
			hey bob
		
		
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			<casted>
			kk
		
		
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			<ShadowMaster>
			kk
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			we could make the snake come out of a basket like those snake charmers
		
		
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			<dougx>
			Good point concerning the license. So let's make a pythonic-logo that can still be recoginsed to bear resemblance to python
		
		
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			<casted>
			you could write umonya in the style of the python snakes?
		
		
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			<casted>
			or maybe just the U
		
		
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			<marcog>
			maiatoday: Use of derived logos for user groups and conferences -- Allowed if used to refer to the Python programming language. Commercial user groups and for-profit conferences require permission from the PSF.
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			yes that's right marcog, but isn't there something about modification
		
		
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			<dougx>
			casted: can you explain your last point please? I don't see the round shaping becoming a U :-D
		
		
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			<marcog>
			maiatoday: that is about derived logos, i.e. modified
		
		
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			<casted>
			dougx: yeah it will require some hax
		
		
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			<bob>
			I like casted's vuvuzela idea...
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			bob: no
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			now I am thinking about those escher snakes that look a lot like the python logo too
		
		
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			<Zy>
			no vuvuzelas
		
		
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			<dougx>
			bob: vuvuzela is soccer, not Africa or computer related
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			how about a snake coming out of the U, or the A being a snake?
		
		
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			<marcog>
			Taejo: i like
		
		
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			<marcog>
			re the different logos
		
		
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			<marcog>
			 Marko:  it goes well with the whole "independent cell" idea
		
		
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			<dougx>
			or the O being a snake based on the python logo
		
		
			[18:26:06]
			<bob>
			You could have a U wrapped in a snake...
		
		
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			<dougx>
			marcog: do you know if Marko can join this meeting?
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			I like that dougx
		
		
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			<marcog>
			it just has to come out well when it's small
		
		
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			<marcog>
			dougx: i'm gonna ask him
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			just the umonya word with python logo instead of o
		
		
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			* maiatoday
			is always a fan of simpler solutions
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			marko is beta-testing saco right now
		
		
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			<marcog>
			Taejo: ah right
		
		
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			<dougx>
			simple is good
		
		
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			<bob>
			maiatoday: it still doesn't help for a single small logo for little prints
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			hmmm single small logo for little prints needs to be really simple like the ubuntu logo
		
		
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			<bob>
			Yip.
		
		
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			<bob>
			So perhaps you could change that O into something more unique than just the normal python logo?
		
		
			[18:29:10]
			<maiatoday>
			maybe we can have a version with three snakes instead of 2
		
		
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			<casted>
			dougx: i meant something like this for the U http://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~ksmith/share/umonya-logo-idea.png 
		
		
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			<dougx>
			good one casted :-D
		
		
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			<bob>
			casted: you can even have those overlapping at the bottom
		
		
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			<dougx>
			I like the design my casted
		
		
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			<casted>
			bob: yeah, i want it to overlap
		
		
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			<casted>
			but its just a quick hack i did in gimp
		
		
			[18:30:30]
			<casted>
			just wanted to give the idea
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			i think it needs green
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			yeah, green and brown is nicer than yellow, blue, brown
		
		
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			<dougx>
			I'd settle for the design by casted - who else likes it? just make the bottoms overlap
		
		
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			<casted>
			you would need the right font to follow the U
		
		
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			<casted>
			or just make it the logo, and umonya is separate 
		
		
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			<dougx>
			there's tons of nice free fonts out there
		
		
			[18:32:01]
			<casted>
			yup
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			can the python shapes in U stand on it's own? I think so
		
		
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			<casted>
			use a good monospace one, after all this a programming thing
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			urgh
		
		
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			<bob>
			And perhaps the colours you would find in a python?
		
		
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			<casted>
			maiatoday: yeah, the more i thought about i'd rather not have it part of the word
		
		
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			<marcog>
			casted: i like the idea of having a separate logo and umonya banner
		
		
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			<casted>
			kk
		
		
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			<dougx>
			no, no courrier new please
		
		
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			<bob>
			brown and greeny brown
		
		
			[18:33:07]
			<casted>
			monospace was a joke :P
		
		
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			<bob>
			btw is it possible to have a python's spots (which can be quite intricate) in some sort of binary or grey code form?
		
		
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			<Michiel>
			bob i like
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			ok I just played with the vectors, I flipped the snakes so they make something that looks like a curly brace with 010101 coming out of it I'll try to put the image somewhere
		
		
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			<dougx>
			casted and maiatoday here's a nice svg for inkscape http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Python_logo.svg
		
		
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			<maiatoday>
			yes that's what I am using
		
		
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			<dougx>
			:D
		
		
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			<dougx>
			I need a copy of that font they use there
		
		
			[18:38:21]
			<Taejo>
			I think you can get it somewhere
		
		
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			<bob>
			oh... I just thought of something... If you have like three pythons (perhaps of different shades of brown/green) you can have them weave in and out in the binary.
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			but I don't like it
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			I like the font used in the first logo (was that dougx's?)
		
		
			[18:39:08]
			<Michiel>
			binary does not print well
		
		
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			<dougx>
			Taejo: link?
		
		
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			<Taejo>
			https://website-a-umonya-co-za.googlegroups.com/attach/e37b855e66f230b0/umonya.jpg?gda=mvL9zUcAAADyrbSXqg1rbEy2ivvtxIz2OWqcpKF99za9pnenFWW5QqcraeZJG5fSDnvLykb7vbg3MCnZ3ExGKa1voVhs8LxdeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&view=1&part=4
		
		
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			<dougx>
			That was from Ismail's friend. His name is mohamed
		
		
			[18:40:41]
			<dougx>
			We might need to ask him if more people like it
		
		
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			<dougx>
			Details about the python logo for ye all designers; http://www.python.org/community/logos/
		
		
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			<marcog>
			so do we have anything more to dicuss? or should we end this meeting and let people send ideas around via email?
		
		
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			<dougx>
			end the meetin
		
		
			[18:46:32]
			<marcog>
			sounds like we need to see some mockups
		
		
			[18:46:35]
			<maiatoday>
			 I don't have much more to say
		
		
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			<marcog>
			tibid: end meeting