Minutes from Meeting about Umonya Logo Convened at 2010-09-27 18:05:03.815494 by marcog in #algorithm on shadowfire Minutes ======= [18:05:03] STARTED (marcog) [18:46:36] ENDED (marcog) Present ======= * golden * Maia Grotepass (maiatoday) * Doug Kisabaka (dougx) * kieren1 * ShadowMaster * casted * Robsby * Marco Gallotta (marcog) * Michiel * Zy * kieren * bob * chukas * Taejo Raw Log ======= [18:05:03] tibid: start meeting about Umonya Logo [18:05:03] * tibid gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [18:05:11] tibid: i am Marco Gallotta [18:05:11] marcog: Yessir [18:05:28] tibid: I am Maia Grotepass [18:05:28] maiatoday: Done [18:05:48] tibid: I am Doug Kisabaka [18:05:48] dougx: Okay [18:05:53] [18:06:08] dougx: you want to take lead? [18:06:27] in a minute [18:07:23] so ismail sent this https://website-a-umonya-co-za.googlegroups.com/attach/e37b855e66f230b0/umonya.jpg?gda=mvL9zUcAAADyrbSXqg1rbEy2ivvtxIz2OWqcpKF99za9pnenFWW5QqcraeZJG5fSDnvLykb7vbg3MCnZ3ExGKa1voVhs8LxdeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&view=1&part=4 [18:07:34] hello [18:07:34] By the way, Taejo on shadowfire told me "pm Michiel would you like to beta-test saco? you can consider it ACM training" 2 hours, 32 minutes and 46 seconds ago [18:07:45] [18:07:47] I like the font but the text below is just too much for a logo [18:07:51] hello [18:07:57] [18:08:05] I'm thinking of something round like with colors on it [18:08:06] hi Michiel, Zy [18:08:24] you can get a vector version of the python logo [18:08:24] dougx: i agree [18:08:42] Taejo: very close to that, that's a very good point [18:09:04] also, the snake if we have one should be cartoony [18:09:09] * dougx is using linux (no adobe fireworks, sorry) [18:09:12] so it can be printed on a shirt [18:09:17] yes [18:09:31] do you have rights to use that snake picture? [18:09:38] also, is it highres enough for printing [18:09:38] probably not [18:09:53] We propbably don't need something too real [18:10:04] cartoony as marcog mentioned will be good [18:10:17] i agree [18:10:21] I have the python logo in svg [18:10:44] good maiatoday: I'd love to play with that [18:10:46] also I dig snakes, but some cultures are terified of them [18:10:57] true [18:11:00] maiatoday: you think that's a problem? [18:11:14] so we can't have the snake too scary realistic [18:11:18] so we make it less obvious that it's a snake, like in the python logo [18:11:27] yes, that i agree with maiatoday [18:12:02] What else could go into the logo? [18:12:28] can we give an indication of young kids? [18:12:40] and maybe the project's african roots [18:12:47] just braindumping [18:13:18] what if we dress up the python logo in african close? [18:13:24] those basket weaving techniques are very mathematical and african and very like the star xmas tree examples [18:13:29] nice Michiel! [18:13:33] Michiel: that's what i was thinking [18:13:41] clothes [18:13:45] sorry :P [18:13:47] or if we redo the python logo in a basket weave [18:14:06] very good ideas [18:14:14] maiatoday: i like that idea, but only thing is it won't be for tshirts [18:14:30] i mean it won't come out on the tshirt printing [18:14:41] but it's ok for the website / printed documents [18:14:46] the basket weave thing could be very geometric and vector, don't think of a basket as in looking like a real basket [18:14:50] what about dressing the python logo with alternating colored triangles with a thick white outline [18:15:03] a bit like tribal art [18:15:22] [18:15:26] how about a vuvuzela that looks like a snake [18:15:26] dougx: would that not be too detailed? [18:15:34] casted: no [18:15:34] casted: stfu :) [18:15:36] doesn't have to be too detailed [18:15:38] :P [18:15:43] casted: NO! [18:15:45] the rest of the world hates those [18:16:07] they hate them here too [18:16:50] casted: our broadcasters did not give a paid option to have them digitally removed [18:16:48] http://www.allfiberarts.com/library/graphics/draft/basket4.jpg [18:17:16] not that exactly but it gives you an idea of the simplified graphicness you could do with basket [18:17:27] Michiel: i found the tv-off button to work quite well [18:17:29] maiatoday: not so inspiring imho [18:17:49] ok, well this is OT, so lets stop the vuvuzela talk :) [18:18:07] comment from marko who might run umonya in croatia [18:18:11] Marko: I see no evil in having multiple logos. [18:18:28] we might consider making the logo "adjustable" for europe [18:18:34] A common identity will be good [18:18:34] neither do I [18:18:39] but then they would make the change [18:18:50] more difficult to design a multi-funtion logo [18:18:57] Having the logo based on python's is a good idea since it has a unique shape [18:19:06] yeah [18:19:17] and just texture the logo or something based on country [18:19:23] so long as we stay within python conditions. [18:19:26] good [18:19:26] python logo with countries flag colours? [18:19:34] kinda [18:19:46] casted: for croatia i was thinking the red-white checkers board [18:19:51] for e.g. [18:19:56] I think we aren't really allowed to modify it too much if we follow the license strictly though [18:20:06] also casted good thing I didn't play you in sqaush [18:20:11] hey all [18:20:15] hehe the checker board sounds like a basket weave again [18:20:15] ShadowMaster: why? [18:20:22] serving I can't do it [18:20:26] ShadowMaster, casted: can you go to pvt plox [18:20:31] hey bob [18:20:33] kk [18:20:41] kk [18:21:10] we could make the snake come out of a basket like those snake charmers [18:21:44] Good point concerning the license. So let's make a pythonic-logo that can still be recoginsed to bear resemblance to python [18:21:48] you could write umonya in the style of the python snakes? [18:21:54] or maybe just the U [18:21:54] maiatoday: Use of derived logos for user groups and conferences -- Allowed if used to refer to the Python programming language. Commercial user groups and for-profit conferences require permission from the PSF. [18:22:24] yes that's right marcog, but isn't there something about modification [18:22:39] casted: can you explain your last point please? I don't see the round shaping becoming a U :-D [18:22:42] maiatoday: that is about derived logos, i.e. modified [18:22:47] [18:22:58] dougx: yeah it will require some hax [18:23:28] I like casted's vuvuzela idea... [18:23:37] bob: no [18:23:38] now I am thinking about those escher snakes that look a lot like the python logo too [18:23:49] no vuvuzelas [18:23:55] bob: vuvuzela is soccer, not Africa or computer related [18:24:30] how about a snake coming out of the U, or the A being a snake? [18:25:01] Taejo: i like [18:25:38] re the different logos [18:25:40] Marko: it goes well with the whole "independent cell" idea [18:25:42] or the O being a snake based on the python logo [18:26:06] You could have a U wrapped in a snake... [18:26:08] marcog: do you know if Marko can join this meeting? [18:26:09] I like that dougx [18:26:10] it just has to come out well when it's small [18:26:26] dougx: i'm gonna ask him [18:26:29] just the umonya word with python logo instead of o [18:26:38] * maiatoday is always a fan of simpler solutions [18:26:45] marko is beta-testing saco right now [18:26:52] Taejo: ah right [18:26:53] simple is good [18:26:59] maiatoday: it still doesn't help for a single small logo for little prints [18:27:49] hmmm single small logo for little prints needs to be really simple like the ubuntu logo [18:28:16] Yip. [18:28:42] So perhaps you could change that O into something more unique than just the normal python logo? [18:29:10] maybe we can have a version with three snakes instead of 2 [18:29:18] dougx: i meant something like this for the U http://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~ksmith/share/umonya-logo-idea.png [18:29:40] good one casted :-D [18:30:03] casted: you can even have those overlapping at the bottom [18:30:05] I like the design my casted [18:30:16] bob: yeah, i want it to overlap [18:30:26] but its just a quick hack i did in gimp [18:30:30] just wanted to give the idea [18:30:35] i think it needs green [18:30:55] yeah, green and brown is nicer than yellow, blue, brown [18:31:12] I'd settle for the design by casted - who else likes it? just make the bottoms overlap [18:31:36] you would need the right font to follow the U [18:31:51] or just make it the logo, and umonya is separate [18:31:54] there's tons of nice free fonts out there [18:32:01] yup [18:32:08] can the python shapes in U stand on it's own? I think so [18:32:26] use a good monospace one, after all this a programming thing [18:32:34] urgh [18:32:39] And perhaps the colours you would find in a python? [18:32:41] maiatoday: yeah, the more i thought about i'd rather not have it part of the word [18:32:43] casted: i like the idea of having a separate logo and umonya banner [18:32:47] kk [18:32:47] no, no courrier new please [18:32:48] brown and greeny brown [18:33:07] monospace was a joke :P [18:33:30] btw is it possible to have a python's spots (which can be quite intricate) in some sort of binary or grey code form? [18:34:30] bob i like [18:36:10] ok I just played with the vectors, I flipped the snakes so they make something that looks like a curly brace with 010101 coming out of it I'll try to put the image somewhere [18:36:51] casted and maiatoday here's a nice svg for inkscape http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Python_logo.svg [18:37:11] yes that's what I am using [18:37:17] :D [18:37:35] I need a copy of that font they use there [18:38:21] I think you can get it somewhere [18:38:31] oh... I just thought of something... If you have like three pythons (perhaps of different shades of brown/green) you can have them weave in and out in the binary. [18:38:32] but I don't like it [18:38:50] I like the font used in the first logo (was that dougx's?) [18:39:08] binary does not print well [18:39:15] Taejo: link? [18:39:29] https://website-a-umonya-co-za.googlegroups.com/attach/e37b855e66f230b0/umonya.jpg?gda=mvL9zUcAAADyrbSXqg1rbEy2ivvtxIz2OWqcpKF99za9pnenFWW5QqcraeZJG5fSDnvLykb7vbg3MCnZ3ExGKa1voVhs8LxdeV4duv6pDMGhhhZdjQlNAw&view=1&part=4 [18:40:02] That was from Ismail's friend. His name is mohamed [18:40:41] We might need to ask him if more people like it [18:43:40] [18:44:25] [18:46:05] [18:46:03] Details about the python logo for ye all designers; http://www.python.org/community/logos/ [18:46:16] so do we have anything more to dicuss? or should we end this meeting and let people send ideas around via email? [18:46:30] end the meetin [18:46:32] sounds like we need to see some mockups [18:46:35] I don't have much more to say [18:46:36] tibid: end meeting